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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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Ezio Sotken
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#841 - 2017-06-09 20:32:55 UTC
So, with all the TQ instability today plus this nerf announcement, one has to wonder.

Also the fact this nerf was posted today, just four days(?) before the change is supposed to happen, not cool. At least rorq guys got some time to digest their nerf and such, carrier and super pilots, which is way more than rorq pilots, got the short stick.
Neva Second
Myst3rium Logistics and Investments
#842 - 2017-06-09 20:33:01 UTC
Crazy idea CCP, bear with me cause your accountants will love it.

1) Don't allow players the ability to pay for subs with PLEX! That way you transform into a cash only system and in game pvp/pve content won't matter anymore, presto digito....no more tears when you make a change get it? Cause it won't matter, cause all the poor people will stop playing.

-or-

2) Make the use of Plex for game time SP based; Got less than 25m SP? Your 30 days of game time is "X", over 25m but under 50m? "XX", over 50m but under 100m? "XXX", over 100m? "XXXX"!

Holy fu*k, I should get a cut of every devs year end bonus cause this sh!t is solid gold!!!
Random Lurker
Critical Strike
#843 - 2017-06-09 20:36:53 UTC
Pimpel Betrak wrote:

And ...get a grade one crotch punch from ccp for having the audacity of using them to try to get some isk back.

so....lets not tackle the issue of afk ratting in ishtars and VNI, noooooo cos the thousands doing that are totally not the issue...
lets crotch punch the big guys...again..


VNIs and Ishtars dont make near anywhere the amount an afk carrier does, I am talking 500m ticks..thats just not intended gameplay... sorry nullbears. There is nothing wrong with CCP trying to make changes because noone is perfect. Carriers were not intended to be used this way and they were a pain to compete against in a non capital ship class vessel. Not sure if reducing fighter damage overall was needed. Could have reduced the damage vs NPC targets only.
yogizh
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#844 - 2017-06-09 20:39:20 UTC
Random Lurker wrote:
Pimpel Betrak wrote:

And ...get a grade one crotch punch from ccp for having the audacity of using them to try to get some isk back.

so....lets not tackle the issue of afk ratting in ishtars and VNI, noooooo cos the thousands doing that are totally not the issue...
lets crotch punch the big guys...again..


VNIs and Ishtars dont make near anywhere the amount an afk carrier does, I am talking 500m ticks..thats just not intended gameplay... sorry nullbears. There is nothing wrong with CCP trying to make changes because noone is perfect. Carriers were not intended to be used this way and they were a pain to compete against in a non capital ship class vessel. Not sure if reducing fighter damage overall was needed. Could have reduced the damage vs NPC targets only.


AKF carriers ? There is no such thing for quite a long time now chief.
Shogun A
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#845 - 2017-06-09 20:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Shogun A
Random Lurker wrote:
Pimpel Betrak wrote:

And ...get a grade one crotch punch from ccp for having the audacity of using them to try to get some isk back.

so....lets not tackle the issue of afk ratting in ishtars and VNI, noooooo cos the thousands doing that are totally not the issue...
lets crotch punch the big guys...again..


VNIs and Ishtars dont make near anywhere the amount an afk carrier does, I am talking 500m ticks..thats just not intended gameplay... sorry nullbears. There is nothing wrong with CCP trying to make changes because noone is perfect. Carriers were not intended to be used this way and they were a pain to compete against in a non capital ship class vessel. Not sure if reducing fighter damage overall was needed. Could have reduced the damage vs NPC targets only.



500mill ticks - someone is cluless - Supercarriers can get 150 at best - check your facts before posting in a discussion

and Supercarrier ratting is very intensive - the clicking is endless
Kaze Mester
Perkone
Caldari State
#846 - 2017-06-09 20:41:04 UTC
Got into rorquals, got nerfed...than fast extract-inject-isk to super...got nerfed. I think this is all because of me...so i have to make these changes stop.

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8RU74L
The Edge inc.
#847 - 2017-06-09 20:41:10 UTC
Afk carriers???How long have you been offline?
Rounon Dax
Terra Nanotech
The Initiative.
#848 - 2017-06-09 20:41:42 UTC
Make NPC's shoot fighters all the time once they are out, carrier ratting issue solved :-P

But honestly, this change is pretty bad. I mean, in a PvP situation a single Griffin can pretty effective render a Carrier useless at the moment. Lowering the damage output from fighters doesn't really help to keep pilots interested in having Carrier and Supers in a PvP situation.

Dear CCP, don't change stuff that is not broken.
Kaze Mester
Perkone
Caldari State
#849 - 2017-06-09 20:41:51 UTC
Kaze Mester wrote:
Got into rorquals, got nerfed...than fast extract-inject-isk to super...got nerfed. I think this is all because of me...so i have to make these changes stop.

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Serininty
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#850 - 2017-06-09 20:41:54 UTC
It seems such an incompetent way to run a game. Make shiny toys, then take them away. Make more shiny toys, take them away. Then ignore the customers.
szeredaiakos Terona
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#851 - 2017-06-09 20:42:19 UTC
i guess i just stick with my ~1.5billion worth 2000 DPS battleship. no more need to SPEND THE DAMN ISK to upgrade and potentially lose a 4.5b fat ass droneboat.
Servo Libertas
Rival Sons
#852 - 2017-06-09 20:43:32 UTC
Random Lurker wrote:
Pimpel Betrak wrote:

And ...get a grade one crotch punch from ccp for having the audacity of using them to try to get some isk back.

so....lets not tackle the issue of afk ratting in ishtars and VNI, noooooo cos the thousands doing that are totally not the issue...
lets crotch punch the big guys...again..


VNIs and Ishtars dont make near anywhere the amount an afk carrier does, I am talking 500m ticks..thats just not intended gameplay... sorry nullbears. There is nothing wrong with CCP trying to make changes because noone is perfect. Carriers were not intended to be used this way and they were a pain to compete against in a non capital ship class vessel. Not sure if reducing fighter damage overall was needed. Could have reduced the damage vs NPC targets only.


"AFK" carriers making 500mil ticks, would love to see that in action.
ISD Chanisa Nemes
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#853 - 2017-06-09 20:45:15 UTC
Removed some more offensive and off-topic posts. Please continue to be constructive, guys!

And you don't get a cute gif this time since someone threatened to kill my puppies from the last one.

ISD Chanisa Nemes

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
BaruCK
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#854 - 2017-06-09 20:46:18 UTC
CCP needs real money and they will nerf carriers with joy.
Fl4chz4ng3
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#855 - 2017-06-09 20:48:06 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
sorry so a 25bill ship making 150m hr is bad? **** i would expect more isk tbh.


You are doing it wrong dude
I'm (was) doing 160m per tick with a perfect nyx (25b ship) and full attention of course

Looks like time investment and learning how to play this game means nothing today...
Dan Sever
State War Academy
Caldari State
#856 - 2017-06-09 20:49:06 UTC
Do whatever you want, just don't touch afk ratting ships like gila, vni and ishtar. Although its sad that you're nerfing one of my potential future in-game goals.
Laetitia Nzero
Southern Cross Silver Shields
Flying Dangerous
#857 - 2017-06-09 20:49:18 UTC
:-( That is all.
C0ATL
Renegade Stars
Stellae Renascitur
#858 - 2017-06-09 20:50:47 UTC
Random Lurker wrote:
Pimpel Betrak wrote:

And ...get a grade one crotch punch from ccp for having the audacity of using them to try to get some isk back.

so....lets not tackle the issue of afk ratting in ishtars and VNI, noooooo cos the thousands doing that are totally not the issue...
lets crotch punch the big guys...again..


VNIs and Ishtars dont make near anywhere the amount an afk carrier does, I am talking 500m ticks..thats just not intended gameplay... sorry nullbears. There is nothing wrong with CCP trying to make changes because noone is perfect. Carriers were not intended to be used this way and they were a pain to compete against in a non capital ship class vessel. Not sure if reducing fighter damage overall was needed. Could have reduced the damage vs NPC targets only.



I dont know what you smoked today to come over with those "500mil /tick" numbers, buddy. A Nidhoggur with max skills and green fit will make 60 mil ticks... IF he stays off chat and just focuses completely on ratting. Most carrier ratters i've met cant get above 55 mil ticks. If you dont constantly control your fighters carefuly for even 20 seconds, you lose one, which is 11-15 mil isk...~50% of a Haven's value.

I dont know if you are a troll or accidentally used an extra 0 on that figure, but if neither..then check your facts before you talk about smth you clearly have no experience with.
Kaze Mester
Perkone
Caldari State
#859 - 2017-06-09 20:51:14 UTC
Fl4chz4ng3 wrote:
lilol' me wrote:
sorry so a 25bill ship making 150m hr is bad? **** i would expect more isk tbh.


You are doing it wrong dude
I'm (was) doing 160m per tick with a perfect nyx (25b ship) and full attention of course

Looks like time investment and learning how to play this game means nothing today...



Or they just want to kill their game, make as much money as they can as fast as possible and say goodbye.
They will close soon anyway with this mentality.
8RU74L
The Edge inc.
#860 - 2017-06-09 20:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: 8RU74L
" As you may have seen in the May Monthly Economy Report, there is a significant upward trend in the Money Supply. This is primarily due to NPC Bounties."

Player driven economy doesnt need "outside" intervention,let us deal with this so called "problem"
Norway has a problem with too much money,go nerf them instead!

"This trend is unsustainable. Having such a large ISK faucet is bad for the economy, and this ISK faucet is concentrated to a relatively small number of players."

Just like a real life,either you re competent with a bit of luck or you re satisfied with average life standard.