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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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singthegrief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#661 - 2017-06-09 17:43:39 UTC
-10 accounts ill go spend my money on world of warships more fun at this point anyways
Riza HR
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#662 - 2017-06-09 17:44:19 UTC
Just stop with patches, one patch every 6 month was good, you are kiling this game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Krypleria
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#663 - 2017-06-09 17:44:41 UTC
It seems this issue is starting to break subscription numbers :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6g99i4/unsub_if_you_want_ccp_to_listen/

CCPlease delete the employee that suggested this nerf and the manager who approved it !
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#664 - 2017-06-09 17:45:36 UTC
Gianni Zuiverloon wrote:
FIX THE ANOMALIES NOT THE CAPITAL SHIPS.
NEW ANOMALIES FOR CARRIERS ONLY AND RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE CURRENT ANOMS FOR CARRIERS.

AFTER YEARS OF TIME WASTED SKILLING A SHIP YOU NERF IT LIKE THAT?!? ARE YOU SERIOUS??
GIVE ME BACK ALL THE SKILL POINTS YOU THIEFS.

-4 ACCOUNTS SUB RIGHT NOW.
UNTIL YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND COMPLETELY.

Bye bye



Ah **** boys, he's serious, look at all them capital letters!
AnTalKiLLeR
State War Academy
Caldari State
#665 - 2017-06-09 17:45:37 UTC
Gianni sei un cazzaro ma hai ragione
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#666 - 2017-06-09 17:46:34 UTC
Krypleria wrote:
It seems this issue is starting to break subscription numbers :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6g99i4/unsub_if_you_want_ccp_to_listen/

CCPlease delete the employee that suggested this nerf and the manager who approved it !


Just when I thought it couldn't get worse...a Reddit post appears! ABANDON SHIP!!
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#667 - 2017-06-09 17:47:04 UTC
Bring another 10 > 30% carriers on to the battle field... The only salty tears im hearing are from those solo grinders, likes it going to stop an alliance What?
8RU74L
The Edge inc.
#668 - 2017-06-09 17:47:13 UTC
"Supers" will now have to be renamed to something less superior since they ll be obsolete.

This is very verrrry bad move,why?Here is why

First there are some of us that are buying stuff for real money via plex,I know EULA say you can do what you want
wich from customer point of view looks like :"ok i m stoping buying stuff from you because EULA"
I am using money to buy injectors to inject towards something i think i need to make money,content etc.

Second,before puting something into tranquility you should test the toys you are bringing in,now either you dont have testers,or you have incompetent
testers,or you do it on purpose---another reason to stop supporting the game

Did any of you ever think about,instead of nerfing ships,nerf the bounty on npcs,but i guess you dont care.
You did grab more money via plex change,skins are suddnely flooding the market,never seen so many skins coming out so fast before.
Now this.
Why dont you just remove the game subscription via plex and make it only usable via money,i know why,you will loose too much subscribers,but
you are already going that way so why not go full ******.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#669 - 2017-06-09 17:48:10 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
CCP: "NPC bounties inject too much ISK into the economy, so let's leave bounties alone and nerf carriers and supers into oblivion."

Seriously, you're generating memes here, CCP, for smart thinking.

the bounties weren't too much of a problem until the carrier/super change happened ~1 year ago.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Aiy're
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#670 - 2017-06-09 17:48:17 UTC
Does CCP Know that One heavy fighter costs about 27-30m. Clearing one haven pays out 30m. By adding the additional chance to lose more fighters you would be negative isk if you lost 1 heavy fighter. The mechanics of this nerf is completely screwed up. Also you said these changes would not affect PVP. I don't see how it could not with the damage reduction to the fighters. CCP needs to go back to the drawing board on this one. I have played this game for a long time and the nerfs that keep coming are insane. You are making capital ships basically useless. When one pays 25-30b for a ship you should be able to make decent isk with the said ship. How about giving us reasons to use these ships in more combat scenarios.
Seeny
FuriaHispana Holdings
Solyaris Chtonium
#671 - 2017-06-09 17:48:17 UTC
CCP Logic = Encourage AFK farm in nullsec and 6plex alt incursion in highsec + discourage farm required real play.

- First CCP, go hunting bot farming (every pvp players have already report them to you, espcially in drone region...)
- Second, kill "AFK play" in all its forms.
- Then and only then, you can keep a passionate community.

Sorry if my English isn't perfect, i'm French and this is the first time I've written here, I do not know if it will work, but it's my time to sound the alarm before you go too far.

Thanks
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#672 - 2017-06-09 17:50:22 UTC
Vladimir Petrovski wrote:
So...let me get this straight.


  1. CCP makes it easier for players to get into carriers and supercarriers by reducing certain SP requirements;
  2. CCP removes the ability for carriers to field drones and replaces their sole combat ability to fighters, thus actually giving the carriers a true nitch in Eve;
  3. CCP permits players to purchase SP instead of having to actually take the time to earn the SPs (read: pay to win mentality)
  4. CCP nerfs fighters, making them easier to kill, thus attacking the very nitch carriers have
  5. Realizing that they haven't been able to successfully curb ISK-making, they now once again nerf fighters thus nerfing carriers altogether.


If the goal is to transform carriers into expensive paperweights, then that's exactly what is occurring. Carriers are being turned into pointless ships. Ignore the now-relative ease in which you can get into one, if the assault on carriers by CCP continues, there will literally be zero point in actually utilizing one.

I get the argument about "ISK printing", but considering how relatively slow they are, and how easy it is for a 1-2 interdictors to lock one down with a bubble until a carrier-blap fleet arrives, the benefit/loss ratio is now in the true negative. I don't mind losing ships... hell, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it, but why make it so that it's pointless to field in the first place?


Actually killing a ship doesn't remove isk from the game, it in fact generates more of it. I realize this seems counter intuitive but you paid someone for that ship, money just moves it doesn't disappear unless it goes to an NPC isk sink. When you kill a ship, insured or not there is a payout. They just need remove payouts for uninsured ships.
Jeison Frenzy
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#673 - 2017-06-09 17:51:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeison Frenzy
This nerf bring Damage bonused carriers at level 4 to the same dmg as an un-bonused carrier now.

By nerfing the fighters your unduly hurting the tank carriers the most, when they are not the issue.

A far more effective nerf would be a reduction of the damage bonus of the Nidhoggur and Thanatos to 3% by level, along with a 5% base fighter dmg nerf and IMO the equivalent of 1 T2 Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer bonuses as a nerf to the application instead, this will drive fits to work in more Tracking when shooting sub-caps especially for shield carriers that currently only typically use DDAs in most combat fits.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#674 - 2017-06-09 17:51:12 UTC
8RU74L wrote:

Did any of you ever think about,instead of nerfing ships,nerf the bounty on npcs,but i guess you dont care.



Why do you want to nerf my ratting oracle? It sure as hell does not need to be nerfed.
Alexander Shvec
Adeptus 12
Siberian Squads
#675 - 2017-06-09 17:55:21 UTC
CCP You kill a game!
yogizh
GSF Logistics and Posting Reserves
Goonswarm Federation
#676 - 2017-06-09 17:55:30 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
8RU74L wrote:

Did any of you ever think about,instead of nerfing ships,nerf the bounty on npcs,but i guess you dont care.



Why do you want to nerf my ratting oracle? It sure as hell does not need to be nerfed.


In the times before Karmafleet roamed New Eden, tier 3 BCs got nerfed because of PVE too.
Arix Petra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#677 - 2017-06-09 17:56:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arix Petra
Man this summer is looking more and more awesome! Smile

All the goons meta games and stuff backfiring on them?! Pirate
lexa21
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#678 - 2017-06-09 17:57:44 UTC
- 2 characters subscription
Texas Queens
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#679 - 2017-06-09 17:57:53 UTC
yogizh wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
8RU74L wrote:

Did any of you ever think about,instead of nerfing ships,nerf the bounty on npcs,but i guess you dont care.



Why do you want to nerf my ratting oracle? It sure as hell does not need to be nerfed.


In the times before Karmafleet roamed New Eden, tier 3 BCs got nerfed because of PVE too.


I too 'member 43m ticks in my blaster naga.
singthegrief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#680 - 2017-06-09 17:58:04 UTC
So here is a idea how about all that are in the AT just use rookie ships this year. if i can get people to agree i will have my guys do the same. enough is enough #fuCCP