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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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Manicsar
Burning Dreams
The Rogue Consortium
#601 - 2017-06-09 17:07:20 UTC
Since I just wasted all the time training carrier skill can I get a refund for those skills?
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#602 - 2017-06-09 17:07:50 UTC
Ida Aurlien wrote:
1 you train for say cruisers they nerf them

2 you train pi they change it

3 you train for pirate ships they change them

4 you train for logi they change it

5 you train for whatever they change it and add more to get to the same level

6 you train carriers They change it

7 you train fighters they change it and add new skills

8 you train t3's they nerf them


My thoughts are if your building a game with a base of people you would think some add ons and deletes threw time but a constant change is frustrating. You just get to a point where you feel good with the game and you kill it or destroy it. I had been feeling tired of the game on a personal level. but was ok with continually subbing gonna start getting ready to call it what it is tho. As this never ends and 20% nerf when a couple cruisers can kill a carrier. something is wrong with this picture. That's like being able to bump kill a freighter with a cat ....stupid.. game you would think has some parameters that would fit like frigates 2 to kill a cruiser or a bs maybe 4 to kill etc but when you can have more dps from a bs than a carrier it does not fit, sorry. I realize this is a game but when you constantly change the Bar or parameters you destroy the goal and game. good job ccp you have made my mind up for me


TLDR : I follow the FOTM and get nerfed.

WTF did you expect?
Dug
Zero Given
#603 - 2017-06-09 17:08:16 UTC
So the issue is with null sec, so why are you nurfing a ship class?

You already have a solution, just take the code that governs pi and apply it to null sec bounties. Boom you now have power blocks moving for the higher ticks, which is both risky and content creating.

But you won't because it's coming clear CCP treats play made ideas the same as toilet paper. The changes this year are the reason I play other games more and more.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#604 - 2017-06-09 17:08:48 UTC
Manicsar wrote:
Since I just wasted all the time training carrier skill can I get a refund for those skills?


Skills still have a use in game so no refund is the usual CCP response. Your carrier skill would get refunded only if carriers were deleted from the game.
Faruzen en Divalone
Heliochem
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#605 - 2017-06-09 17:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Faruzen en Divalone
People should really learn something about game economy. Ship destroyed actually generates ISK, its not ISK sinkWhat?. Real ISK sinks are not obvious.

Real ISK sinks are where ISK dissapears to the system:

Transaction Tax
Ship Repair
LP store ISK prices
Expired insurances

etc...
krakinette
State War Academy
Caldari State
#606 - 2017-06-09 17:09:00 UTC
You nerf rorqual you nerf carrier you nerfs supercarriers you nerf titans !!

We see a big cap figth per year now i think we dont see nothing.

You make money in every game if player dont make money you lose your players!!

Now We only see one things CCP you just want that all players PAY CASH!! You will loose all your player and is not your free game that is not a free game because a knew player cant do nothing with this account oh yes he can scamm !!!
Driczinella
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#607 - 2017-06-09 17:09:14 UTC
Well they are going full speed over the edge of a cliff and do nothing to stop the car... they keep accelerating... nice job ccp...



JITA BURN!!!!!!
Jefrotee
Cat Milking Fockers
#608 - 2017-06-09 17:09:21 UTC
So, what's the point of me training for so long to fly/fit a carrier? No thanks. It's now a waste of time to know that something that takes so long to fly/fit isn't really worth your time at all. Cut the training time by 50%, cost cut by 30% and I could see it being reasonable.

If I helped you, please "Like" my posts.  xD

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#609 - 2017-06-09 17:10:23 UTC
Dug wrote:
So the issue is with null sec, so why are you nurfing a ship class?

You already have a solution, just take the code that governs pi and apply it to null sec bounties. Boom you now have power blocks moving for the higher ticks, which is both risky and content creating.

But you won't because it's coming clear CCP treats play made ideas the same as toilet paper. The changes this year are the reason I play other games more and more.


No one moves for 'higher ticks'. It's been tried before.
Quote:
Expected consequences

Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space
In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals
Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
Coalitions will be marginally less stable
Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)


That didn't happen. Because no one moves for ticks.
Frosty Indica
Au moku 'au wa'a
#610 - 2017-06-09 17:10:53 UTC
If it makes goonswarm cry, its a good move by ccp. You guys are great entertainment. Did you bother to read about this isk "hose" only benifiting a few players ? You dont cry a single tear when they makes changes to make being a pirate easier, but if they nurf your big shinny isk hose, you act like the game is about to end. Please quit now, less goons=the world a better place.
Lina Miaoke
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#611 - 2017-06-09 17:11:10 UTC
Amusing... nerfing our carrier after expecting us to pay 695 plex for a carrier skin. Roll
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#612 - 2017-06-09 17:12:35 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Manicsar wrote:
Since I just wasted all the time training carrier skill can I get a refund for those skills?


Skills still have a use in game so no refund is the usual CCP response. Your carrier skill would get refunded only if carriers were deleted from the game.



That's another one of those funny responses. It's like saying "I have made billions and billions of isk with these skills and they are useful for other things. but i expect a refund because I'm pissed at a change you made"!
Actus Reyus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#613 - 2017-06-09 17:12:58 UTC
Well, I put well over a hundred of hours into getting myself a supercarrier built, it comes out in 2 days and now its being nerfed into the ground.

Definitely not re-upping
singthegrief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#614 - 2017-06-09 17:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: singthegrief
I dont post much here and im **** at typing but let me get this strait. a supers fighters can be jamed by 2 t1 frigs all day long yet we are the op ones i spent years and real money and isk to get perfect super skills and now ur like **** you. becuase what u cant make good pve?! well im not raging im just letting you know that i will be unsubscribing 10 accounts that i pay for on a yearly basis. and if i am im sure more will be too so i hope that either A hurts ur bottom line or B teaches u not to screw the people that kept u running when u didnt have no new players coming in at large enough numbers to pay ur bills.
ValhallaCCB
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#615 - 2017-06-09 17:13:11 UTC
They won't change this at all, but I feel like many of us; these changes are distasteful.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#616 - 2017-06-09 17:14:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kassimila
I'm sure no one from CCP will actually read this thread, but this is not how you solve this problem. Here is exactly how you solve the issue that is null sec isk printing issue.

Step #1 . Remove bounties, replace with tags/blue loot/etc that is sold to NPCs for the same value.

TADA! Now people actually have to stop and loot the sites. Or use MTUs which other players can come in and blow up/take!

This will slow down peoples overall income generation as having to actually interact with the wrecks instead of being able to just churn and burn sites.

This change will allow small roaming gangs to actually takes things away from people that just warp out and dock when you hit local. Probe down MTU = Profit.

Step #2. Remove ESS's from the game. Instant 5% isk generation reduction.

Step #3. Increase sales tax to generate more isk sink.


Notice how these changes deal with the actual economy instead of nerfing a particular ship type, that is instantly defeated by a single falcon.

PS. You could also greatly increase the chance of an NPC capital spawn if you're ratting in a capital. Increase the damage on the NPC capitals so they actually pose a threat. I always found it stupid that I could solo the NPC dread in a thanatos with T1 fighters.....and a passive shield tank.
Vanguard Andromedus
Unleashed' Fury
The Initiative.
#617 - 2017-06-09 17:15:09 UTC
Really CCP?
Lets make the carriers OP.
Oh lets nerf them a shitload of times now!

I am almost maxed in my carrier, which took a shitload of time to do, and now you nerf it, AGAIN.

#FuCCP
Boaty McBoaten
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#618 - 2017-06-09 17:15:13 UTC
So I understand the need for the rebalance, that makes sense. B

BUT why are you doing three major rebalances for income in the same patch?
Texas Queens
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#619 - 2017-06-09 17:16:01 UTC
Frosty Indica wrote:
If it makes goonswarm cry, its a good move by ccp. You guys are great entertainment. Did you bother to read about this isk "hose" only benifiting a few players ? You dont cry a single tear when they makes changes to make being a pirate easier, but if they nurf your big shinny isk hose, you act like the game is about to end. Please quit now, less goons=the world a better place.


Your posting is bad and you should feel bad.
Faruzen en Divalone
Heliochem
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#620 - 2017-06-09 17:16:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Faruzen en Divalone
krakinette wrote:
You nerf rorqual you nerf carrier you nerfs supercarriers you nerf titans !!

We see a big cap figth per year now i think we dont see nothing.

You make money in every game if player dont make money you lose your players!!

Now We only see one things CCP you just want that all players PAY CASH!! You will loose all your player and is not your free game that is not a free game because a knew player cant do nothing with this account oh yes he can scamm !!!



Less ISK in economy means PLEX price will go down. PLEX supply and PLEX demand are constant and it will not change. No change to the economy can propably make people stop buying PLEX for ISK, as its price corresponds to the market state. So calm down and put the tinfol hat aside.