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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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Snezana Snezic
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#561 - 2017-06-09 16:44:59 UTC
You still want to nerf Null sec? Next attack could be fatal Cool
Vitarius Solarius
My Little Pony Industries Inc.
RED.OverLord
#562 - 2017-06-09 16:45:42 UTC
Can i SD mah Hel now?

Доставляю боль, дорого.

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#563 - 2017-06-09 16:46:30 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Y u no nerf bounties? From where all those ISKs are printed anyway?


Because subcap ratters don't, according to CCP, need a nerf.
Ringo Caldari
Death by Design.
#564 - 2017-06-09 16:47:15 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ringo Caldari wrote:
You Guys know the real reason behind this right?

Why let players pay for game time with isk they grind for hours upon hours when we can reduce the income and make it less and less possible for players to play without having to dish out the ol'credit card to buy plex.

CCP - where we don't really give a **** about your in game economy as long as you line our pockets


Why would they do that when every single account subbed to the game with PLEX give them more money than an account subbed directly via CC?



Not sure I follow, If you buy plex with IRL money yea, but I can put In time and effort to rat and make isk to pay for my accounts, ergo, no money from my irl wallet to ccp.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#565 - 2017-06-09 16:47:56 UTC
ivona fly wrote:
Just add
CAPITAL MISSILE DEFENSE SENTRY and CAPITAL NEUTRALISER SENTRY to the missions

borrow some code from the citadels


Stats
_________________________
Hitpoints : really Stronk
Damage : 100k per volley
Range : Forever
_________________________




only targets captial ships or has 99% reduction in effects to non capital ships

Add / subtract the rate of fire for balance


Now carriers are not gimped for PvP!!!


This is about the only reasonable counter proposal I've seen. Too bad it will be drowned out by all the "U SUK CCP" being posted ...
Ebony Texas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#566 - 2017-06-09 16:48:29 UTC
its beyond time ccp just remove the security status in null-sec since this impacts everyone regionally. also not all null-sec bounties are the same so you need to stop that bullcrap thinking its an isk faucet for everyone when in fact it isn't..

remove TRU-SEC and bring that to null sec systems.. that's where you imbalanced the income.. Provi for instance is the worst place to earn an income as our pilots struggle to make enough to afford their ships.. this is the change that's needed..


you need to balance out the security system beyond anything else than to keep backtracking and breaking capitals.. this is terrible balance as yet you've proved once again that you have no idea what you're doing when it comes to having a fully balanced game.

Give us Tru-sec.. these players are not some high-sec carebear dwellers.. they have taken the risk and dove straight into the real game in eve online.. the null sec game and that's how ALL of NEW SHOULD BE PLAYING...

but of course we know you wont nerf that high-sec incursion income.. oh no no no.. you wont dare hurt those guys..

Carriers and Super's deserve the love just as much as the rorqual and you have failed back to back on both with these nerf's.. this is totally pathetic.. you need to send this to Seagull cause its obvious she broke her spreadsheet and now filling our socks up with coal..

SHAME on you CCP
SHAME
SHAME
SHAME!
Valiant Swart
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#567 - 2017-06-09 16:48:52 UTC
so ccp nerfing all ways to make isk and have cut down plex does this mean that ccp wants to sell more plex it seems this way to me.

nerf **** have the server drop so people lose **** because of it brilliant ccp
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#568 - 2017-06-09 16:49:13 UTC
Ringo Caldari wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ringo Caldari wrote:
You Guys know the real reason behind this right?

Why let players pay for game time with isk they grind for hours upon hours when we can reduce the income and make it less and less possible for players to play without having to dish out the ol'credit card to buy plex.

CCP - where we don't really give a **** about your in game economy as long as you line our pockets


Why would they do that when every single account subbed to the game with PLEX give them more money than an account subbed directly via CC?



Not sure I follow, If you buy plex with IRL money yea, but I can put In time and effort to rat and make isk to pay for my accounts, ergo, no money from my irl wallet to ccp.


Where is the PLEX you buy on the market coming from?

CCP does not give a damn who's money it is as long as it become an income for them. It's still more money for them at the end of the day.
Ganja Wheels
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#569 - 2017-06-09 16:49:15 UTC
i'm sure all your customers, who have just spent real money on injectors and plex to fly carriers and supers, will happily spend more money injecting other ships now you have ruined these. Plan worked CCP

Why would anyone commit a 2-3 bill carrier, when a battleship will do similar damage for a lower price?

This is an unnecessary and badly thought out nerf
Revival Lolloking
Lollosono
#570 - 2017-06-09 16:50:20 UTC
But honestly ... are you crazy?
Do you want mass abandonment by the players of this game?
There are no words ... convince yourself that you are making a mad mistake!!!!
Do not mix the abnormal mining of some regions with the carrier ratting ... there are two different things you have to solve in different ways !!!
Dawny Star
Control-Space
#571 - 2017-06-09 16:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dawny Star
Ok to offer a slightly different suggestion to lowering our perceived mountains of ISK.

Give us a reason to PVP again. Null sec wars are a huge ISK sink, they create lots of player content, generate headlines, and gave alliances a reason to be competitive with each other. I have more ISK than I used to because I used to spend a lot more time invading/defending Sov. I used to enjoy it too.

We blew much more **** up when we was able to travel.

One of the reasons I can earn a lot more ISK these days by the way is Fatigue/Jump range. I can rat really quite safely these days, I'm more concerned about wormholers when ratting than I am of the biggest null sec pvp alliances in EvE. Why? Because I know as well as they do that to avoid a day or more of fatigue it takes 2-3 hours to cross the region I live in in a carrier/dread.



If you have to kill super/carrier income because all the above is not up for discussion than ffs please just lower rat bounties instead. My super is not that bloody OP.
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#572 - 2017-06-09 16:52:18 UTC
Ebony Texas wrote:

but of course we know you wont nerf that high-sec incursion income.. oh no no no.. you wont dare hurt those guys..



Can't wait for everyone to jump on that gravy train only to see how cancer it actually is because even with 3 spawn active, you will never really have more than 9 fleet running at the same time in HS.
Lightning Q
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#573 - 2017-06-09 16:53:53 UTC
Ellowah

Since I've been ratting in a carrier for a few weeks now, I can see that you indeed can make a ton of isk this way.
And this is indeed a broken mechanic in a certain way.

The security and endless ammount of sites is something I found odd, especially compared to HS
It's not because you mine a random spawned jaspet site in HS that you get an instant new one

However nerfing carriers and supers is not going to change anything ! well except a pvp nerf for them

Whoever makes these decisions should know by now PEOPLE ADAPT so nerfing 1 or 2 specific types of ships WILL NOT WORK in the long run

Even if you decide to nerf something for a good reason 5% 10% increments I can get but 30% in one go????????
So this means the ship also becommes 30% cheaper right? Since it's basicly a worthless piece of junk now

Maybe every1 will start smartbomin their sites with their alt armies, who knows
Instead of a carrier pilot who actually has to do stuff to make this isk and keep his fighters moving

How about compare isk gained vs the actual actions per minute the account is doing? gues who's going to be at the bottem :p
Since this is what EVE strives for right? ACTIVE gameplay?

I find it hard to believe you are all sitting on this pile of market/isk info even with the monthly economic dev blogs and this is what commes out of it ?



One suggestion, since EVERY1 is ratting alone and I want to do stuff with my friends how about a new type of site which spawns random and can/HAS to be run with multiple people instead of solo. (in capitals ofc)
Making some use of these new force auxilaries which only undock for pvp

It's THE biggest reason I prefer WH's over anything else in EVE more having to group up to get stuff done
While still keeping the scale of things relativly small



And 4 days in advance? rly? it's not like you train for caps in 4 days
RLY bad call CCP

Kind Regards,
LQ
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#574 - 2017-06-09 16:54:01 UTC
Dawny Star wrote:


Give us a reason to PVP again. Null sec wars are a huge ISK sink, they create lots of player content, generate headlines, and gave alliances a reason to be competitive with each other.


Null sec wars are not an ISK sink. They never are and probably never will be.
PkControl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#575 - 2017-06-09 16:54:03 UTC
Nice! you **** the carriers again, the last nerf (fighter radius increase) convert the fighters to Crystal Fighters, uselles in PvP, and now you ···holes increase the chance to hit +15% and reduce the damage???

Why the **** i train since 2006 my Character to all super skills to 5 if i cant use it more in PVP or PVE? What the hell is your problem?! now you cant kill another ships if they hotdrop you! and your Fighters insta-pop if you try use it to defend yourself, the same HP and Resistances but MANY less damage and the ******* Crystal fighters... i own a Super or a rookie ship now?!?!?!

This game is dying and you PRESS MORE To KICK more players from EvE?!!?!? what type of idiots you have in your meetings when you launch that type nefings?!?!?
Zuri Sae Kouyama
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#576 - 2017-06-09 16:54:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Zuri Sae Kouyama
The damage nerfs are too high.
If you at the same time would give fighters ECM immunity or at least introduce a new mid slot module that increases ECM resistance of fighters, together with the damage nerf, would be justifiable the damage reduction.
Only reason carriers are strong in pvp at the moment are numbers, because we can't field them alone anymore as it would just get jammed out, by a t1 frigate, and die.

The real solution would be to nerf bounty payouts per NPC, or even better the speed of VNIs and Ishtars.
Or you could change the sov system to something that doesn't allow sov to be taken in interceptor fleets so that people would actually risk losing some ISK when fighting for sov.
Anne Bonnay
Gargamels Lair
#577 - 2017-06-09 16:55:05 UTC
Pretty much all the points that come to mind have be listed throughout this thread

After all the nerfs to high sp/isk intensive isk generation it is finally time for me to unsub


Great Job CCP, Keep killing EVE!!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#578 - 2017-06-09 16:55:14 UTC
I'll say again, all the accusations of "omg CCP just wants me to buy plex" are stupid.

If CCP wanted you to buy plex theiy'd BUFF fighters so you can generate isk easier to buy plex. Plex is money in the bank for CCP
yogizh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#579 - 2017-06-09 16:55:30 UTC
Ganja Wheels wrote:
i'm sure all your customers, who have just spent real money on injectors and plex to fly carriers and supers


This.
Driczinella
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#580 - 2017-06-09 16:55:34 UTC
JITA BURN!!!!!