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Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2017-06-08 16:43:56 UTC
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Then I will point out that an unimplanted character generates 1.7 million SP per month, which is enough to sell and pay for the account. So it's basically a buffed up alpha clone.

Wait! I think we stepped over a serious issue here.
So a month of plex (500) is currently about 1.3 billion right? And with the last update that added the small injector, the price of injectors increased to 770+ million for some reason. This technically means that if you don't actually need any new skills, you can basically generate 2 months worth of plex (1000) each month (3 extractors/month = 2.5+ billion) by doing literally nothing? And the 3 skill extractors you need only cost 420 plex/month, so you can have infinite omega status + 960 plex/year for free.

Please tell me that I awfully miscalculated something!


Vastly. Plex = 1.3 bil correct.
COST of 3 extractors = 900mil.
Sell price of 3 injectors = 2.31bil

Profit = 1.41bil

So you can buy the plex and make about 100mil right now.

Still, is this supposed to work like this, or players just a few steps ahead of the devs again?


I mean...Market dictates price points. I don't see how it's a dev issue.
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2017-06-08 17:41:46 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Then I will point out that an unimplanted character generates 1.7 million SP per month, which is enough to sell and pay for the account. So it's basically a buffed up alpha clone.

Wait! I think we stepped over a serious issue here.
So a month of plex (500) is currently about 1.3 billion right? And with the last update that added the small injector, the price of injectors increased to 770+ million for some reason. This technically means that if you don't actually need any new skills, you can basically generate 2 months worth of plex (1000) each month (3 extractors/month = 2.5+ billion) by doing literally nothing? And the 3 skill extractors you need only cost 420 plex/month, so you can have infinite omega status + 960 plex/year for free.

Please tell me that I awfully miscalculated something!


Vastly. Plex = 1.3 bil correct.
COST of 3 extractors = 900mil.
Sell price of 3 injectors = 2.31bil

Profit = 1.41bil

So you can buy the plex and make about 100mil right now.

Still, is this supposed to work like this, or players just a few steps ahead of the devs again?


I mean...Market dictates price points. I don't see how it's a dev issue.

The fact that people are able to stay omega without paying or doing literally anything. And this doesn't require any kind of skill or luck, so anyone can do this. Because that's what this allows.
Sure you wouldn't be able to do this for ever, because if people would actually start doing this then the plex market prices would double in a few months because of the increased demand.

If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!

But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2017-06-08 18:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Kassimila
Dior Ambraelle wrote:

The fact that people are able to stay omega without paying or doing literally anything. And this doesn't require any kind of skill or luck, so anyone can do this. Because that's what this allows.
Sure you wouldn't be able to do this for ever, because if people would actually start doing this then the plex market prices would double in a few months because of the increased demand.


People ARE doing this. It doesn't matter what is priced where. If extractors/plex goes up, injectors also go up. The only impact would be lack of demand for skill injectors. Did you honestly believe these people with 30+ cloaky cyno alts are actually paying for the accounts? I can't really complain about the process though. You can do the same thing with mining/ratting alts. Train up to Mining barge/VNI, sell the rest of the SP, profit.
Tessa Sage
Long Pig Luncheon Meat
Sending Thots And Players
#44 - 2017-06-08 18:53:17 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
profit.

Speaking of Battle Orcas.. if they augment the powergrid to allow for Heavy midslot modules, can we also switch out the drone bay for Augmented or T2 Light Fighters? It is basically ORE's solution to carrier play, with Rorqual in siege more akin to Dreadnaught level.
Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2017-06-08 19:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Old Pervert
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Sonya Corvinus not reading and trolling yet another thread. I'm shocked.


Give me a reason it needs to be in game. You kind of left that out. Why do you want the orca to be able to do this?

Kassimila, posting crazy suggestions with no reason. I'm shocked.

Old Pervert wrote:
In a game where "hey we didn't think of that. Cool!" is something that has been specifically said by the Devs, "why not" is in fact the perfect reason.

Letting players come up with unexpected uses for things is the spice of life in this game. Let the spice flow.


Post with your main please. It looks like you haven't actually played this game.


I'll post with whichever toon I feel like posting with. If you don't like it, feel free to keep crying, the tears aren't exactly salty but tears are tears.

I'll also suggest that ad hominem attacks against my killboard (or lack thereof in this case) are the exact same logical fallacies here as they are anywhere else. Debate the content of what I say, if you even can. Resorting to ad hominem simply displays a lack of refuting argument, in which case you may as well avoid posting.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2017-06-08 19:32:32 UTC
Tessa Sage wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
profit.

Speaking of Battle Orcas.. if they augment the powergrid to allow for Heavy midslot modules, can we also switch out the drone bay for Augmented or T2 Light Fighters? It is basically ORE's solution to carrier play, with Rorqual in siege more akin to Dreadnaught level.


That seems like a bit much. More PG to be able to fit MJD/MWD/Stasis grappler sounds pretty reasonable to me. Fighters, I would say those should stay with the carrier class ships. That's what they are designed to do. That being said the Orca is a 950mil hull. It doesn't really feel worth the price tag as it stands right now. The porpoise can boost just as well. So you're basically paying for a big ore bay. The ability to use heavy drones however would seem in line with the hull size/cost.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#47 - 2017-06-08 22:50:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Kassimila wrote:
You literally said this is your main, I lookup that character on the killboards last kill Sept 27th, last loss May 7th...2016. So it really doesn't seem like your version of playing the game involves leaving a station.


...and I said I do mainly PvE. You do know you can live outside of HS and not die, right? I can give you pointers if you want.

And apparently you've never actually flown an Orca.

F1 monkey's terrified of risk like you are always hilarious to talk to. How have you played since 2005 and still actually think it takes 40 seconds to align an Orca? Under 10 seconds is more than easy...
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2017-06-09 00:01:20 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
You literally said this is your main, I lookup that character on the killboards last kill Sept 27th, last loss May 7th...2016. So it really doesn't seem like your version of playing the game involves leaving a station.


...and I said I do mainly PvE. You do know you can live outside of HS and not die, right? I can give you pointers if you want.

And apparently you've never actually flown an Orca.

F1 monkey's terrified of risk like you are always hilarious to talk to. How have you played since 2005 and still actually think it takes 40 seconds to align an Orca? Under 10 seconds is more than easy...


Perhaps since you don't actually play the game, you are unaware of how the interface works. If you open up the fitting tool in the game, and climb into an orca you will see an align time under the navigation section. It says 40 seconds.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#49 - 2017-06-09 01:40:41 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
Perhaps since you don't actually play the game, you are unaware of how the interface works. If you open up the fitting tool in the game, and climb into an orca you will see an align time under the navigation section. It says 40 seconds.


You can't figure out how to get a 10 second align time with an orca and you're calling for changes to them?

Direct question. Have you ever flown an orca? Yes or no please.

Good god your trolling is painful.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2017-06-09 02:06:35 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Perhaps since you don't actually play the game, you are unaware of how the interface works. If you open up the fitting tool in the game, and climb into an orca you will see an align time under the navigation section. It says 40 seconds.


You can't figure out how to get a 10 second align time with an orca and you're calling for changes to them?

Direct question. Have you ever flown an orca? Yes or no please.

Good god your trolling is painful.


You're the only one trolling here Sonya. Yes I have flown an Orca. Yes I am aware that modules and game mechanics alter the statistic of ships. None of what you are saying is valid to my original posted idea. You've stated your opinion, we heard it, no one cares. I'm done dealing with you, go troll someone elses thread.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#51 - 2017-06-09 18:01:22 UTC
I approve of this idea.
Why? Because why not?
I make the dumbest yet most creative fits that I know of, and we'll grappler battle orca fits right in there Lol

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Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2017-06-09 18:06:22 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
I approve of this idea.
Why? Because why not?
I make the dumbest yet most creative fits that I know of, and we'll grappler battle orca fits right in there Lol


Did you know....a Hulk has a base scan res of 855? I'll let you figure out where to go from there. :p
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#53 - 2017-06-09 18:18:17 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
I approve of this idea.
Why? Because why not?
I make the dumbest yet most creative fits that I know of, and we'll grappler battle orca fits right in there Lol


Did you know....a Hulk has a base scan res of 855? I'll let you figure out where to go from there. :p

I have a bumping skiff >_>
I keel you Cool

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2017-06-09 18:27:50 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
I approve of this idea.
Why? Because why not?
I make the dumbest yet most creative fits that I know of, and we'll grappler battle orca fits right in there Lol


Did you know....a Hulk has a base scan res of 855? I'll let you figure out where to go from there. :p

I have a bumping skiff >_>
I keel you Cool


I like you, we can be friends.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#55 - 2017-06-13 00:15:19 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
You're the only one trolling here Sonya. Yes I have flown an Orca. Yes I am aware that modules and game mechanics alter the statistic of ships. None of what you are saying is valid to my original posted idea. You've stated your opinion, we heard it, no one cares. I'm done dealing with you, go troll someone elses thread.


So you were lying when you said it takes 40 seconds for an Orca to warp? Come on, stop being this ridiculous. 100% of your ideas are "I want easymode I win buttons"
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2017-06-13 00:46:32 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why should an Orca be able to? It's a mining support vessel.

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/mining-foreman-revolution/

That devblog explains it quite well, especially the second of the three pillars.

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Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2017-06-13 00:49:34 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why should an Orca be able to? It's a mining support vessel.

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/mining-foreman-revolution/

That devblog explains it quite well, especially the second of the three pillars.


CCP approved battle orca, I like it. :)
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