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Orca Update

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Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-06-07 00:02:50 UTC
So I'm only going off Pyfa here, so if I'm incorrect on this please feel free to correct me. Why can't an orca fit a stasis grappler? I realize it's in this weird halfway spot between battleship and capital ship, but either of those ship classes can fit the module. Why not the orca?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-06-07 00:10:04 UTC
Why should an Orca be able to? It's a mining support vessel.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-06-07 00:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kassimila
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why should an Orca be able to? It's a mining support vessel.


I mean....A force aux can. It's a support vessel. Maybe I want to battle orca, you don't know me.

Titans/Dreads/Battleships can as well. The use of the stasis grappler is based on the size of the ship, aka big ones. The orca is big, and has slots for modules. It's bonused for Boosts/ Drone Damage/ and remote shield reps. So simply classifying it as a 'support vessel for mining' is a little short sighted.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#4 - 2017-06-07 00:42:40 UTC
Wait, FAXes can fit Grapplers?

How did I not know about this?
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-06-07 00:44:45 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
Wait, FAXes can fit Grapplers?

How did I not know about this?


Right click - Show info is a hard skill to master :)
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#6 - 2017-06-07 00:46:52 UTC
OP has a point.

I support this.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7 - 2017-06-07 03:07:48 UTC
why should it?

"lol, why not?" isn't a reason
grgjegb gergerg
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-06-07 03:14:12 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
So I'm only going off Pyfa here, so if I'm incorrect on this please feel free to correct me. Why can't an orca fit a stasis grappler? I realize it's in this weird halfway spot between battleship and capital ship, but either of those ship classes can fit the module. Why not the orca?

Well, they're ORE hulls, I wouldn't expect mining vessels to have that kind of thing going? Maybe it required military-class mounts that are only found in combat hulls, and the Orca structure can't take the forces?

Sure, the technical answer is that CCP clicked the "battleships and caps" line of checkboxes, ofc.

As to whether it should be able to fit them... I dunno. One one side, succeed or fail, battle Orcas would generate hilarious killmails. On the other, it doesn't quite make lore-sense?

I don't think it really matters either way. An Orca can't mount a large MJD either. And THAT would be far more useful.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2017-06-07 03:29:05 UTC
grgjegb gergerg wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
So I'm only going off Pyfa here, so if I'm incorrect on this please feel free to correct me. Why can't an orca fit a stasis grappler? I realize it's in this weird halfway spot between battleship and capital ship, but either of those ship classes can fit the module. Why not the orca?

Well, they're ORE hulls, I wouldn't expect mining vessels to have that kind of thing going? Maybe it required military-class mounts that are only found in combat hulls, and the Orca structure can't take the forces?

Sure, the technical answer is that CCP clicked the "battleships and caps" line of checkboxes, ofc.

As to whether it should be able to fit them... I dunno. One one side, succeed or fail, battle Orcas would generate hilarious killmails. On the other, it doesn't quite make lore-sense?

I don't think it really matters either way. An Orca can't mount a large MJD either. And THAT would be far more useful.


Lets add that to the thread as well.

Allow orca to fit Large MJD, and Stasis grappler!
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2017-06-07 03:30:51 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
why should it?

"lol, why not?" isn't a reason


Sonya Corvinus not reading and trolling yet another thread. I'm shocked.
Tessa Sage
Long Pig Luncheon Meat
Sending Thots And Players
#11 - 2017-06-07 03:34:15 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why should an Orca be able to? It's a mining support vessel.

When the Orca is your dedicated booster, you need a bulky enough hauler to move the ice off grid. The heavy grappler is great to give your hauler toon an insta-warp effect once it has begun its align. It also allows fleet better damage potential against warp scramming rats which usually zip around and jam as if you're an npc Sotiyo defense fleet.
Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-06-07 16:31:44 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
why should it?

"lol, why not?" isn't a reason



In a game where "hey we didn't think of that. Cool!" is something that has been specifically said by the Devs, "why not" is in fact the perfect reason.

Letting players come up with unexpected uses for things is the spice of life in this game. Let the spice flow.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2017-06-07 21:27:54 UTC
Old Pervert wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
why should it?

"lol, why not?" isn't a reason



In a game where "hey we didn't think of that. Cool!" is something that has been specifically said by the Devs, "why not" is in fact the perfect reason.

Letting players come up with unexpected uses for things is the spice of life in this game. Let the spice flow.


Just ignore Sonya. She doesn't play the game, she just trolls the forums.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#14 - 2017-06-07 22:27:35 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
Sonya Corvinus not reading and trolling yet another thread. I'm shocked.


Give me a reason it needs to be in game. You kind of left that out. Why do you want the orca to be able to do this?

Kassimila, posting crazy suggestions with no reason. I'm shocked.

Old Pervert wrote:
In a game where "hey we didn't think of that. Cool!" is something that has been specifically said by the Devs, "why not" is in fact the perfect reason.

Letting players come up with unexpected uses for things is the spice of life in this game. Let the spice flow.


Post with your main please. It looks like you haven't actually played this game.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2017-06-07 22:35:12 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Sonya Corvinus not reading and trolling yet another thread. I'm shocked.


Give me a reason it needs to be in game. You kind of left that out. Why do you want the orca to be able to do this?

Kassimila, posting crazy suggestions with no reason. I'm shocked.

Old Pervert wrote:
In a game where "hey we didn't think of that. Cool!" is something that has been specifically said by the Devs, "why not" is in fact the perfect reason.

Letting players come up with unexpected uses for things is the spice of life in this game. Let the spice flow.


Post with your main please. It looks like you haven't actually played this game.


Stop crying about mains when you haven't so much as killed something in a year. You are in breach of the forum rules, knock it off.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2017-06-07 22:43:23 UTC
Orca is a "large" ship, I don't see why it shouldn't have the ability to fit modules that other ships of it's size can. Wether or not it's actually useful would depend on the players as usual.
I support both the grappler and the large MJD.

If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!

But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#17 - 2017-06-07 22:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Kassimila wrote:
Stop crying about mains when you haven't so much as killed something in a year. You are in breach of the forum rules, knock it off.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.


This is my main. I do mainly PvE any more. I was talking to a person without a single entry on a killboard. Learn to read kiddo.

For the third time, why is this needed? Give a reason or stop posting ridiculous things. Why is it hard for you to explain why you think this change needs to happen?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2017-06-07 22:54:21 UTC
Tessa Sage wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Why should an Orca be able to? It's a mining support vessel.

When the Orca is your dedicated booster, you need a bulky enough hauler to move the ice off grid. The heavy grappler is great to give your hauler toon an insta-warp effect once it has begun its align. It also allows fleet better damage potential against warp scramming rats which usually zip around and jam as if you're an npc Sotiyo defense fleet.

Fair enough, though I also had it in my head they used 2k power grid.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

mkint
#19 - 2017-06-07 23:06:45 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Stop crying about mains when you haven't so much as killed something in a year. You are in breach of the forum rules, knock it off.


This is my main. I do mainly PvE any more. I was talking to a person without a single entry on a killboard. Learn to read kiddo.

For the third time, why is this needed? Give a reason or stop posting ridiculous things. Why is it hard for you to explain why you think this change needs to happen?

"need" is a strong word. The pertinent question is whether or not it's appropriate. Personally, I'm not terribly happy with the idea of size-restricted modules. Restricted modules to fill a role is one thing, but otherwise I feel like more general use modules should be restricted by CPU/PG limits. That's a personal opinion obviously so that's obviously not a justification in itself. On the grounds of combat vs support, it's not an inappropriate change as an orca can already fit any standard ewar, smartbombs, combat drones, etc. That makes it feel more like this is an oversight rather than an intentional design. And of course, any combat ship can fit RR's and other support modules, so an arbitrary hard barrier between combat and support is otherwise nonexistent.

imo, the only reason to NOT allow it is if it would introduce some game breaking imbalance. Would it? "Why not" might actually be a sufficiently adequate reason for this to push through. The "why" being "because cool stuff might happen" is more than sufficient. After all, "cool stuff might happen" is the entire reason for pretty much everything in EVE, and the only real reason to play EVE to begin with.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2017-06-07 23:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kassimila
Ignore this.
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