EVE General Discussion

https://zkillboard.com/kill/62096814/
cargo extender tank

https://zkillboard.com/kill/62609958/
war dec

https://zkillboard.com/kill/62180945/
fitted for travel speed
possible the pilot was on autopilot, with offline hardeners



There is no such thing as 100% safe, but its possible to get 99.9%
- max tank / max agility
- scout
- web alt
- extra caution when entering dangerous areas. check KB, hours of activity, number of pilots in space
- tank to cargo value ratio
- jump in after a random "sacrificial lamb". Hostiles might not even notice you.
- toon in a ganking corp. You will have their gank schedule and probably set your hauler to blue anyway.

And many more. Use your brain.

Thank you all for your help.

One thing Im noticing is that all the extra time / effort it seems that needs to be done to make a bowhead safe, defeats the purpose in the first place.

The purpose of me flyng a bowhead is to cut down the time it takes to move ships from incursion to incursion.

If I have to have a separate account webbing, constantly checking map for 24hr gank, etc. etc. -- what is the point in the first place? It is not saving me any time.

Am I missing something?

If you can run two clients and have two omega accounts, then having a scout/webber on one and the freighter on the other makes sense. For one thing, the webber gets the freighter into warp even quicker than the mwd cycle.
Another alt on one account can handle the blockade runner if desired.

Sisi is a good place for practicing.
Freighter sideways warp... wheee!

Weird for an indy pilot to ask that. The "purpose" is to move ships with expensive rigs for pilots that are too lazy to move them themselves. And for pilots that just can't be bothered with fitting ships and doing move ops. Those pilots will pay for the convenience you provide. Takes more time and effort? Too dangerous? Raise price.

Says the person posting with an alt.



"throwaway alt accounts" aka. recycling alts is against the eula and people's mains, gametime and wallet is getting pwnd by CCP if they spot this. Doesn't matter thou, with proper logistics (bowhead, ha ha) group of -10 players can continue to operate in system. Or at least I think it can, didn't do anything in the tutorial zone for years so I'm a bit out of date with current hs shenanigans.

Checking the map is something you should be doing no matter what. It takes less than a minute. So no time added there.
A scout/Web alt isn't strictly necessary but it makes things safer (and faster since you get into warp sooner)
If your only moving one or two ships. Yeah you likely won't save much time. But if you are bringing a small armada with you (I like options) it's a massive time saver.

The safety procedures might take a little more time and effort than not using them. But it's gonna be far less effort than replacing a ship.

Hmm....

An Alpha can gank, but I still prefer to train an Omega (looks like training for Purifier could be useful)

If you use the MWD trick I described you will not only be incredibly more secure, but also a lot lot faster to transport your stuff. And you don't need a webbing alt. Try it out

less than one bowhead dies a day and almost none of them have tank fits. the one that did took 9 talos (~100m each) and 15 bombers (~30m each) to gank a total of 1.35 bil, double that to get the break even loot value, and probably add another bil on top of that for the payout. Most of the time spent ganking is spent waiting around bored, if you are in it for the money you want to hit the good targets. They were worth over 15bil, more than 10 times the value of the gank ships. I scrolled back a few more pages and the only ohter full tank bowheads were carrying 40bil and 27bil which is just crazy.

honestly things like checking the map are not really going to do anything they are going to keep the characters logged off or in a nearby station until they are ready to gank. Also volume killed really means nothing. most of the pro freighter gankers are looking for whales and whale only and they don't come by too often. by the time the warning signals show up on the map your ship is probably already dead.

aside from events like burn jita gankers are mainly in it for the profit. And looks like code will sometimes gank cargo expanded freighters in uedama for lulz.

tl;dr: use a full tank fit, carry under 2bil, 1 mwd cycle into warp, and you should be fine

OP, check the kills and your question will answer itself.

The only bowheads that die in High Sec with any regularity are idiots who fit for speed instead of tank, and people who fly them around while wardec'd. If you use the fit you posted it'll take something like 20-30 bombers to kill you and if you do a one-cycle MWD jump when coming off a gate they'll have trouble even catching you to bump off the gate.

There are literally two tanked Bowhead deaths to a gank (as opposed to a Wardec) that I can find since February. One of those was Burn Jita with over 100 Coercers on the kill, and the other died to 26 Talos and was carrying 14 B-Type Invulns in its cargo.

In short OP, tank your ship and actively fly it and you'll be fine.