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CCP Not Even Pretending.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1 - 2017-06-06 17:31:20 UTC
Email today:

Quote:
Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,

Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.

Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC!


That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here!

Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2 - 2017-06-06 17:38:09 UTC
Inb4 some serious spin-doctoring about why this is not a blantant pay2win ad and absolutely no problem.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#3 - 2017-06-06 17:43:13 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Email today:

Quote:
Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,

Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.

Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC!


That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here!

Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice.

Mr Epeen Cool


I am shocked are you shocked?

Were you sleeping under the rock all this years or did you forgot to read all you quoted....plex is for game time or isk since day one.

Show us on a doll where...oh nwm just woke up organic French Peru and Venice mix of coffee will straighten me up.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard

JC Mieyli
the united
#4 - 2017-06-06 17:50:27 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Mieyli
plex isnt just for game time
its for nes store too
wait... its always been sold for isk
not sure why selling it for isk is suddenly a problem
what else were you supposed to do with it after you bought it
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#5 - 2017-06-06 18:08:33 UTC
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#6 - 2017-06-06 18:10:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
I find granular PLEX to be much more convenient for turning my RL money into ingame wealth. They're much more liquid, and I have so many more options.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#7 - 2017-06-06 18:21:53 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Email today:

Quote:
Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,

Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.

Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC!


That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here!

Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice.

Mr Epeen Cool

I mean that's kinda the whole point of PLEX... if you wanted gametime you could have just bought that at a lower rate.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2017-06-06 18:36:51 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Email today:

Quote:
Greetings XXXXXXXXXX,

Grab PLEX at a low price and trade for ISK to spend on your ships and interests. You can also treat yourself or a friend to an Omega upgrade and the many great items at the New Eden Store.

Act fast to get 15% off all PLEX packages until 7 June 11:00 UTC!


That's it. No dancing around what they're doing. No pretending PLEX is for game time. Get your EVE gold here!

Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice.

Mr Epeen Cool

I mean that's kinda the whole point of PLEX... if you wanted gametime you could have just bought that at a lower rate.


+1

I think the real issue here is a dislike of the ideas of RMT and the perception of creeping Pay to win. I don't share those concerns as much as others, CCP had to do plex to combat gold seller types and plex IMO is one of the things that kept people playing beyond the point where they might have outgrown paying for a game no matter how cheap it was.

And CCP isn't selling gold ships/ ammo so as long as that's the case CCPo making some cash on skins and skill extractors etc is fine too CCP is a company not a charity, at the end of the day if one doesn't like a company seeking ever more revenue , then 'one' should stop playing games made by for profit companies and start playing games made by charities (of which there are none lol).

I might not like some of the things CCP does but complaining about them making money would be dumb on my part.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#9 - 2017-06-06 18:51:31 UTC
That's a good point. They're not selling more powerful Gold-only ships, mods or ammo. You can just buy things that are available to everyone, but you don't have to work in-game to earn the ISK. And that's been around since PLEX were first introduced (as other people have pointed out).
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#10 - 2017-06-06 18:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning.

For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it.

It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe.

As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution.

Mr Epeen Cool
Aedaxus
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2017-06-06 18:58:57 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:

(1)No pretending PLEX is for game time.
(2)Pretty bold RMT ad considering their stated stand on the practice.

(1) Plex from the store was bought for :
* Game time (if you like to pay a lot for game time)
* Getting ISK from players that want to buy 'omega game time' with ISK
Now PLEX can also be bought to spend on :
* NES Clothes
* NES Extractors (to make injectors and sell "learn time")
and that's why they had to break it into little pieces as 1 PLEX valued 1 billion ISK [~20 euro] and no one would spend that much or more on a shipskin, clothes or injectors.

(2) PLEX is to counter RMT. CCP has the right to do so and 'EULA/CodeOfConduct' accepters not. Sorry for your loss of income.
Aedaxus
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2017-06-06 19:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Aedaxus
Mr Epeen wrote:
That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game.

It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe.

As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution.

Mr Epeen Cool

Sure, It's all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows now...

At least now they fixed your "I have to wait for hours to sell a character in this FAST PACED ACTION ADVENTURE GAME", right? So you were behind that change? :D


Then they have to IMMEDIATELY stop charging for anything as I get omega benefits for using my euros instead of playing the game like it's supposed to, right?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2017-06-06 19:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Mr Epeen wrote:
I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning.

For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it.

It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe.

As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution.

Mr Epeen Cool


It was the only solution. The mistake you are making here is that you are looking at it as something you don't like rather than accepting it as a necessary evil. I shudder to think of how much time and energy and money CCP would have had to waste combatting isk farmers were it not for plex, because if we know anything from the history of this game and others, people are going to buy in game money some way no matter what you do.

Also PLEX doesn't have anything with the harshness of EVE, the same people who will plex themselves out of a loss probably would have bought isk from a gold seller type for the same reason, the difference is that as it is now at least the money goes to CCP.

On top of that you are ignoring the benefits of plex for other players. PLEX gave PVE players something real and meaningful to shoot for, something to really trade with PVP jocks. If not for PLEX I'd probably have trillions of isk if I hadn't stopped playing because just making isk for the sake of it isn't fun, but knowing that what I was doing would also let me use some of it to buy PLEX to keep 60 bucks in my pocket every month , that meant something (not much, but something).

I like plex, I think it was an elegant solution to a problem and for the most part it's added something really cool to the game. I don't know for other people but i can tell you that for myself I doubt I'd have played EVE this long without plex, not because of the money (I don't spend the 60 bucks a month I set aside for EVE until I've made the isk to pay for game time, It's like i use CCPs accounting practice in real life) but because it provided another goal to shoot for. A goal that delivers.
Aedaxus
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2017-06-06 19:10:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning.

For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it.

It was especially noticeable as a character seller. I'd have to wait for some guy to have his couple of hundred dollar PLEX purchase go through so he could buy the character I was selling. So much for the struggle in this harsh universe.

As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution.

Mr Epeen Cool


It was the only solution. The mistake you are making here is that you are looking at it as something you don't like rather than accepting it as a necessary evil. I shudder to think of how much time and energy and money CCP would have had to waste combatting isk farmers were it not for plex, because if we know anything from the history of this game and others, people are going to buy in game money some way no matter what you do.

Also PLEX doesn't have anything with the harshness of EVE, the same people who will plex themselves out of a loss probably would have bought isk from a gold seller type for the same reason, the difference is that as it is now at least the money goes to CCP.

On top of that you are ignoring the benefits of plex for other players. PLEX gave PVE players something real and meaningful to shoot for, something to really trade with PVP jocks. If not for PLEX I'd probably have trillions of isk if I hadn't stopped playing because just making isk for the sake of it isn't fun, but knowing that what I was doing would also let me use some of it to buy PLEX to keep 60 bucks in my pocket every month , that meant something (not much, but something).

I like plex, I think it was an elegant solution to a problem and for the most part it's added something really cool to the game. I don't know for other people but i can tell you that for myself I doubt I'd have played EVE this long without plex, not because of the money (I don't spend the 60 bucks a month I set aside for EVE until I've made the isk to pay for game time, It's like i use CCPs accounting practice in real life) but because it provided another goal to shoot for. A goal that delivers.


PLEX is like Jenn aSide, we all know she is just evil but we like to have a go at here once in a while and hug and whisper in her ear. *hug*
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2017-06-06 19:24:56 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:


As for justifying corporate RMT as a solution to unofficial RMT...IT'S STILL RMT! It's completely the wrong solution.

Mr Epeen Cool


There is no effective "right" solution. The player base has a need to get ISK and they would fulfill that need illegally if there were no legal way to do it.
Magnus Jax
#16 - 2017-06-06 19:26:49 UTC
plex is:

a) the life blood that keeps tons of accounts running year after year

b) a necessary evil to battle real RMT, it makes CCP money and it means people who want to make use of the service don't have to deal with shady Chinese websites that steal your CC info

c) a way for short attention span (or busy irl) people to achieve their long term in game goals


Plex isn't the problem, it's a solution to issues that would otherwise result in much bigger problems.



Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#17 - 2017-06-06 19:29:35 UTC
I just want to voice my opinion how much I despise the so called "plex vault".

As in-game "gold" it should be an in-game item, in inventory or station. Behave like real gold. Not something special for the special snowflakes to hide in a magical separate hold.
It feels to me like some cheap mobile game coins. It should not be a plex, it should be THE plex.
Not to mention this thing is stuck to every inventory window.


Mr BeDee Cool
Felyx Ravencroft
#18 - 2017-06-06 19:36:07 UTC
PS: (I added this AFTER typing the main body :P) Please pardon the wall of text below.

RMT may be distasteful to some (hell, it is to me, even, to some extent - I certainly don't respect players who can only overcome in-game challenges by throwing money at them - but hey, it's those players who allow the rest of us to save some real money, and I'm OK with that!) but I would MUCH rather that the (real) money go to the company providing the game (and thus supporting it, helping to feed the devs and keep them in ample caffeine to keep delivering said game for us to consume) than to some Chinese or Russian parasitic gold-farming multi-multi-multi-box setup (the ethnicity is, in fact, irrelevant, that's just where most of them gold-sellers operate from, as far as I'm aware.)

I previously played an MMORPG that, years ago, switched to a F2P model with "Gold Packs" for game time - these work much the same way as PLEX, except they're used EXCLUSIVELY for 30 days of unrestricted game for an account and its entire stable of characters (akin to Alpha and Omega access distinction), and when this was implemented, illicit gold-sellers went into decline. For starters, they had to lower their prices to compete with the legitimate RMT, AND there's the factor that many players don't mind paying a little more if it goes to the providers of the game instead of to a parasite, meaning that the black-market gold-sellers had to reduce their prices even more drastically (of course, there are always those players who will selfishly go for the "best deal" possible without regard for the bigger picture.) With all the dis-incentives for black market gold sellers, many simply left (presumably they went to farm greener pastures), while the game provider also now had more incentive to crack down on the remaining ones. End result: ultimately good for the health of the game, as the game provider makes some extra revenue, while the players' experience is largely unaffected, and in fact is even improved by the drastic reduction of in-game spamming by gold-sellers.
JC Mieyli
the united
#19 - 2017-06-06 19:38:04 UTC
yeah when they announced granular plex i thought it was something different
i thought it meant people could plex a few hours at a time
and people would have plex in their cargo hold so they can add some more time while in the middle of a roam
and when they die they will drop some plex
i figured a whole bunch of plex would be dropping from part-time pvpers
and it would encourage more pvp and fun
sadly not the case
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#20 - 2017-06-06 19:46:24 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Inb4 some serious spin-doctoring about why this is not a blantant pay2win ad and absolutely no problem.



This'll blow your mind: I don't care.
And I'm certain a lot of other players don't care either.

BTW you reminded me of Gevlon with your post.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

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