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[Proposal] Blue/Red Pricing Options

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Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-01-21 00:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Orakkus
I wish I could say that this was an original idea, but I can't. I actually thought about this after reading Mabrick's blog here: http://mabricksmumblings.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-carebears-need-isnt-protection-but.html

As in industrialists being able to set pricing based on a person's red/blue/neutral standards. I think this would be a great way to give Market PVP a new dimension, so long as there could be some identifier as to who the seller is when you are looking in the market.

Here are some (and only a few) theoretical scenarios:

Scenario #1: BillyBob Ice Miner mines ice out of a remote region of space. He gets ganked by Pirate Group A. Pirate Group A lives nearby and has a couple POSes set up for their own nefarious purposes. So, BillyBob sets them to red, and marks up all red ice costs by 200%. Because he is the only ice miner in town, Pirate Group A has to decide whether or not to buy at the higher rate locally, or transport it in. Pirate Group B, has many more POSes in the area, and decide about getting blue status from Billybob. Billybob like Pirate Group B because they don't harass him, and sometimes they help him out too. So, he gives them a 10% break.. he still makes a profit, but he figures he's getting a good deal. And they know they get that discount from Billybob because the market tells them that Billybob is selling that ice product to them at a 10% discount.

Scenario #2: Mr. Greedy, who keeps on buying everyone's items that are for sale at the only nullsec station in the area and boosts the prices up 300%, is suddenly marked "red" at the individual level by one of the local traders, Miss Conscience. Miss Conscience doesn't like the fact that Mr. Greedy is buying all of her low priced goods that she brings up to sell to her comrades, and marking them up, so she adjusts the rate for any red to 1000%. This puts Mr. Greedy in a bind as he has to decide if he wants to start moving product directly, or lower his prices to a more reasonable level, or to just leave.

Scenario #3: Mr. Bad 'Tude doesn't like Goons after they blew up his precious Retreiver back in '05, so he sets them all red and marks up all the goods he sells in a Goon frequented trade hub. Mr. Bad'Tude has a multitude of alts and because of some well done sales and marketing, is nearly as rich as Chribba (yeah, right). With those riches, he targets multiple NPC null-sec, low-sec, and High-sec stations used by Goons and begins to buy up all the ammo and gun modules and resells them for 20%+. The Goons, seeing that the prices of items have gone up substantially, must decide to either manufacture their own, truck it in from somewhere else, make piece with Mr. Bad'Tude, or kill him over and over until he lowers his prices.

I'm sure there are a multitude of possibilities and options.. something just perfect for a sandbox game.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#2 - 2012-01-21 01:16:09 UTC
I like this idea as a whole. I think that one thing that hurts the EVE economy as a whole is that manufacturers have no control over who buys their items, unless they sell exclusively through contracts.

Perhaps when setting a sell order, you can select three different prices for that order - one for negative standings, one for neutral, and one for positive standings. Then, for example, a goon who is red to the trader sees the "goon" price when he looks at the market window. A friendly, however, would see a price that is, say, 50% lower than the "goon" price. I think that this has a lot of potential, but would take a lot of market re-working.

+1 for the concept, just needs all the kinks ironed out.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-01-21 01:20:52 UTC
I like..but on the whole I think it could seriuosly cause complications with the system already in place.

But being able to restrict the marketpalce to say..your corp...or the alliance...would be a major boon.

+1 major support regardless.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-01-21 11:24:04 UTC
This has some amazing possibilities but I suspect would be a nightmare to implement. However, that's CCP's problem.

+1
Raziel Tyrael
Euphoria Released
#5 - 2012-01-22 16:51:06 UTC
+1
LF9000
Neurotoxin Control
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#6 - 2012-01-23 06:08:24 UTC
You know price discrimination only works if consumers can't sell to one another.....

-1 for not taking basic economics
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-23 09:09:42 UTC
Nice idea, but may make it a little complex, but it does make sense. Like Drake said the best idea so far is to be able to sell to Public, Alliance, Corp or standings, that would be a nice thing...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-23 09:14:14 UTC
Conditional pricing seems too complicated on the face of it.
Embargos and exclusive markets on the other hand I can endorse.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-01-23 16:31:55 UTC
LF9000 wrote:
You know price discrimination only works if consumers can't sell to one another.....

-1 for not taking basic economics


Well, that is a good point. A neutral alt could purchase the local goods at the standard price, getting around the red mark, or..even better, a blue could purchase them at the blue price and sell it over to the red at the reduced cost.. plus a fee..

What dastardly friend would do such a thing? Really? In a game like Eve?

Still, I think as many posters noted, it is certainly something to discuss. If there is a better option LF9000, please feel free to elaborate.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-01-23 20:52:59 UTC
It would be nice to have some sort of control over your market orders. +1
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-01-23 21:12:51 UTC
Orakkus wrote:
LF9000 wrote:
You know price discrimination only works if consumers can't sell to one another.....

-1 for not taking basic economics


Well, that is a good point. A neutral alt could purchase the local goods at the standard price, getting around the red mark, or..even better, a blue could purchase them at the blue price and sell it over to the red at the reduced cost.. plus a fee..

What dastardly friend would do such a thing? Really? In a game like Eve?

Still, I think as many posters noted, it is certainly something to discuss. If there is a better option LF9000, please feel free to elaborate.



the point is "clearance" to purchase said items requires extra effort/status.

In 0.0 allainces...this is a major benefit to staving off the ####heads who love to frak the market over.

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Nekopyat
Nee-Co
#12 - 2012-01-24 00:15:57 UTC
I think the only way this could work is if CCP implemented a system similiar to the one electronic banking uses, where you can trace the flow of money and goods through their full chain and thus prevent getting around the 'neutral alt' hole.

this is something I could see being intreated into some compeditor to EvE, something that strived to mirror real world systems more.. but I can not see CCP putting such an auditing/regulatory framework into this game.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-01-24 01:06:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Nekopyat wrote:
I think the only way this could work is if CCP implemented a system similiar to the one electronic banking uses, where you can trace the flow of money and goods through their full chain and thus prevent getting around the 'neutral alt' hole.

this is something I could see being intreated into some compeditor to EvE, something that strived to mirror real world systems more.. but I can not see CCP putting such an auditing/regulatory framework into this game.



this is overkill compilicted.

If people want to use alts to get around things...so be it...point is this propsoal makes its bloody difficult without extra effort.

Just keep it simple...standings permissions much like PICO's.

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