EVE General Discussion

Could someone please explain the current questions being raised pertaining to Zydrine, the current CSM, Dev blogs, and strange market fluctuations? What exactly are the issues/concerns and how much of it is merely "tinfoil hat " trolling? Thank you.

I think I'm going to need to start keeping graphs of mineral/commodity prices.

What you need is a personal psychic to tell you where they'll be in a week. Or a month.

The history of mineral prices is - as my flight instructor used to say - the equivalent of the runway behind you.

Completely useless.

Mr Epeen

One of the CSMs already came out and said that spike happened 2 days before the CSM was informed of the upcoming changes. It's in the reddit thread on the subject.

What is being said is that someone at CCP informed either CSM members or other general players about the proposed Rorq nerf up to 72 hours before it was announced allowing those players to manipulate the market illegally.

We have seen this multiple times before. The integrity of certain CCP employees is what is always being questioned. It has been for over a decade.

I have stock in tin foil.

You seem to be misunderstanding me. The CSM did not have the information on the upcoming changes until *after* that buying spike occurred. We have this confirmed by multiple CSMs.

Also if you look at the changes there seems to be little to suggest that they'll cause a significant spike in Zydrine prices, making this a questionable bet at the very least.

Also all of these 'previous instances' of supposed questionable behavior have never been proven to be anything other than normal market speculation by uninformed third parties, rather than leaks.

TLDR: If you believe this I've got a tinfoil bridge to sell you...

I'm sorry, I'm not sure if I was making waves because I've been a busy doodle bug making cap ships and have been buying many minerals that I cannot get in the quantity that I need, Zydrine is on the top of my list and others.

I have taken a short break to have fun in other areas because as much as I love production it has become tedious with the amounts we are talking, or not.

Query to pro traders:

If, lets say, large quantities of existing Zydrine sell orders where suddenly bought back by their owners (via alts), would that not outwardly have the same characteristics as this spike in volume/price and subsequent plummet in price as the rest of the market resumes its nominal reactive trading pace at best sell/buy order?

In other words, that the spike history of volume/price change is not a representative of competitive trading, but of a massive withdrawal of Zydrine on their own accounts by buying them off the market and shouldering the loss in transaction fees.

The competitive trading edge of price/volume of Zydrine would thus have not directly been affected, except as a disappearance of volume above their -0.1isk price, and only those traders savy enough to watch volume intently would have noticed it occuring, and even to them, the spike would have prompted them to dump more Zydrine ASAP for the withdrawers to buy up.

TLDR:
1) Could the spike have been the result of massive buyback of owners Zydrine orders?
2) Would the self-purchase of more expensive/voluminous orders of Zydrine up the price chain, not appear in stats as a sudden artificial spike, as Zydrine that should not be selling at that price, or at current demand, is suddenly irrationally bought up?
3) Would not, thereafter, prices/volume drop back down to the competitive trading price/volume edge, albeit further depressed by the echo of an artificial temporary demand spike?

Could that have been a result of also buying large volumes of the cheapest Zydrine off the markets, concurrently with buying back or cancelling their own sell orders further up the price chain? Especially if a substantial part of their own Zydrine was located in remote markets?

The purpose would have been to stockpile Zydrine, even at a loss, so its effect on the market would be unusual in characteristics, as not following rational demand/supply behavior.

In anycase, its clear that someone(s) with substantial influence had a sudden concerted interest in Zydrine, for whatever reason.