Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The same Sotiyo that made 20 billion ISK worth of ships go boom when Goons tried to throw a Machariel fleet at it.

And it is no small task to put together a fleet of Frigates that big, much less have the ideal doctrine to be able to keep up consistent damage. CCP might make it harder for the same doctrine to be applied in the future, but you must be rather dense to think that assembling a fleet of Frigates big enough to take it out is "no risk". It took brains to figure out a way to keep damage on the Sotiyo without being blown out of the sky.

Again, I am not part of the "I WANT CCP TO BENEFIT MEEEEE" crowd, which seem to comprise a good portion of the complaints I'm getting out of this, because the idea wouldn't serve up free goodies on a silver platter.

READ. THE. OP.

The idea can also be applied to NPC factions - Pirates in Null Sec, and Factional Warfare in Low-Sec. It would bring new content to the game. In fact:

Attainability/NPC Use:

3. Mobile counterparts of the Sotiyo Shipyards. The same AI used with the Sotiyo Shipyards would be used with the Pirate Iapetan Titans, with the added danger of the Pirate Iapetan having the firepower and modules to defend itself, including self-repairing shields or armor (or FAX), depending on the faction, and Doomsdays for capital-scale targets. The Sotiyo will jump from system to system on a set interval, or a certain amount of time after it is found, meaning fleets that want to take one down will have to act quickly. If it escapes, the search will have to start all over again.

They would also be region-locked (like the Sotiyo), meaning that you'll never find an Iapetan belonging to a certain faction outside of the space where its faction ships are located. There'd be no guarantee of an Iapetan blueprint drop in this scenario, unlike the other two proposed scenarios, but it would drop the same items as the Sotiyo at the same rate.

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In other words, neither Pandemic nor Goonswarm would benefit overly much from these, as they themselves would be restricted both by regional restrictions, the difficulties involved in attaining them, their resource-intensive nature, and the time it would take to build one.

It takes over three months just to build a regular Titan, so imagine how long it would take to build a star-ship even bigger than the regular Titan.

For a game that is built around economics and logistics, it is amazing that people never think of either when they complain about something.

I am here to discuss an idea, not to hear the demands and desires of people who think CCP should serve their needs.

I will not apologize for my OP presenting an idea for the introduction of a new ship class, which is based off of the in-game lore that already surrounds the type of ship I am discussing, and presenting the various ways the ship can be used both in the NPC aspect of game-play, and by players.

Ok, that's a nice speech, but remind me how exactly adding even bigger, more invincible ships is going to in any way shake or change up the meta? Its just going to become yet another thing for the big boys to oppress the little guys with...how is that any different from now?

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Ahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh okay so you're one of THOSE people. Right then. Pretty clearly you don't actually want a discussion since you don't actually discuss anything and literally just "I'm right you're wrong", without actually defending the idea, and instead using some abstract defense which basically amounts to "stop being negative I know better than you"

Wew lad.

I'm sorry, but you were the guy who just complained about how the Goons were able to take out a Sotiyo with a Punisher Frigate fleet, yet now you are complaining about "more invincible" ships...

As if the biggest things out there right now are invincible, and an Iapetan is even more so.

Nothing is invincible in EVE Online. It is basically the unspoken rule: Everything can be destroyed, and everyone can be killed. Titans and Super-Carriers are lost on a weekly basis in EVE Online, and Iapetans will also be lost at certain frequencies once that blood gets into the water.

It is as if people have forgotten that the Imperium was broken into pieces last year.

And as Axure Abbacus said, we are now being treated to more powerful NPCs than ever before in the past couple years. Drifters and their Doomsdays; the new Capital spawns of Pirate Factions that can erase any Capsuleer ship that is not a Capital itself off the map; the addition of Sotiyo shipyards for each Pirate Factions concurrent with their Faction Capitals being made available to Capsuleers.

CCP is making the game harder and more difficult, and the Sotiyo Shipyards with their advanced AI, and the behavior of Wormhole Drifters, are just two steps in that direction.

Bjorn Tyrson, If the bankruptcy Titan could only be built at the palatine keepstar, which there can only be one in existence at time. Would that be enough of a limiting factor to the concept while meeting the meta lore behind the concept?

not really, because after leveraging the industrial monster required to build a palantine, building one or more lapetans would be a relative cake walk. so now not only are you giving whatever group achieves that a shiny one of a kind station, but also the ability to produce the super weapons to defend it. without anyone else being able to build their own counters to it.

now granted you can take down titans with smaller ships, and so you could take out lapetans without strictly needing one yourself. but its putting everyone else in the game at a massive disadvantage.

OK first of all the Empires already have an exclusive monopoly on Iapetans. How does giving away their top secret designs to random capsuleers in any way equate an "escalation"?

Also, it seems that you are trying use the lore to somehow justify these things when, from a gameplay standpoint, they add absolutely ******* nothing for 99% of the playerbase. If you want people on board with your idea you have to explain it from a PVP standpoint, and as it stands this thing is literally just a bigger titan that is even more restricted to the big alliances.

Literally, your high build costs and Palatine requirement means that only either Goons or PL will stand any chance of ever owning one of the things. Are you really suggesting that CCP spend dev time making yet another giant powerful ship that can only be used by the absolute most powerful groups in the game? What about everyone else? Stop trying to justify it via lore and tell me why I should be happy that PL can now drop Iapetans on me when I solo roam null in a cruiser.


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How ******* dumb are you? How is a PVE with bad AI in any way equivalent to a massive ship that is backed up by a massive alliance? CCP doesn't know how to properly write AI, how does that have any relevance when we're talking about adding PVP ships. Do you even know what it takes to take down a titan? I'd like to see you use those same frigates and try to kill even a solo titan, much less anything even remotely supported (because, oh gee, titan pilots don't usually fly alone!)

You're a freaking wormhole player. A hit-and-run vampire that preys on unsuspecting players and lives in the most dangerous space in EVE, able to rake in hundreds of millions to billions of ISK from running WH sites, and you complain about someone dropping something bigger than you on you?

That's the name of the game, the last time I checked. And you wouldn't be worth the effort; I'd be dropping an Iapetan on a Titan.

As has been pointed out before time and time again, there is going to be PvE content for High-Sec players and other groups based on the new AI that was introduced for the Sotiyo Shipyards; the Shipyards are effectively the test-bed. That AI will be improved upon, and then it will be applied to the other areas of EVE.

While the Palatine idea is not exactly sound (you'd be better suited to having one being visibly built outside a Sotiyo), you are blowing the impact the Iapetans would have out of proportions. It took how many years for Titans and Supercarrier to reach the current point they are at now?

Something over 100x the price of a Titan, rare and very difficult to get, and taking a very long time to build and gather the resources won't devastate the balance of gameplay. For some, it just gives them a bigger pinata to shoot down.



I wasn't aware the cleverness of Goonswarm translated to "Sotiyo have bad AI".

Your complaint completely ignores the logistics involved, and CCP's ability to update the AI. Nothing would be stopping CCP from adjusting the AI so that the Sotiyo can respond with fleets that are ideally suited to countering all-Frigate fleets. It was proven in earlier attempts that fielding fleets of anything bigger will incur massive losses on the part of the attacking fleet. And CCP has not yet allowed Sotiyo Shipyards to throw Super-Capitals in the direction of invading fleets, last I checked.

CCP will improve the AI to make it more difficult for alliances to take out the Shipyards, that much is certain. The same will hold true for an NPC Iapetan, which would not only have the same AI backing it up, but also the Iapetan's own firepower to bear against the enemy fleet.

As I mentioned above, the difficulty and the amount of resources and firepower required to destroy an NPC Iapetan to get your hands on the blueprints will not cause these things to break the game.

But...what if it cost 1 billion Quatloo?!?!?!

Translation: CCP will make it so I am right and you are wrong.

Really?