Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I believe Kuiper belt and Oort cloud surrounding existing systems should be candidates for "new space" when CCP gets around to that. Kuiper is within range of a warp drive , Oort will require player built stargates at 0.8ly -3.2ly distant (from Earth- other systems may vary).

Obviously the empires don't have resources to police these regions ...

I think if stars had a "signature radius" that could be detected a number of light years out (depending on size and other factors) that could make for a good target for a new type of propulsion mod; maybe star signatures beyond the current system only appear on overview/can only be locked if a new type of sensor mod is active. This ends up eating up two slots on ships used for independently moving between these new systems; combined with a vulnerable enough spooling time, and you probably won't see people roaming in ships that can jump themselves between stars.

It also means players aren't just flinging themselves alone at empty/randomly generated space. It'd be more like WH space in that you're still likely to run into people; and there's a definite "thing" that can lead other players to it. Unlike wormhole space, you can always go back to a particular system. It'd also be an opportunity to introduce player-built stargates.

I think the least disruptive way to introduce this would be as a new region, with stars at the edges of this region being detectable across three or four existing regions; or as a region within Anoikis, so first you have to find a wormhole directly to the region, or a WH system within range of the region. Maybe a WH-usable "cyno" can be dropped which effectively makes an artificial star signature that the new propulsion and scanner can target, so people have a way to get back to their WH system if they visit this new region, but it also makes their WH system detectable while the cyno is up.

Maybe the stars in this new region give off signature radius as the result of some experiment-gone-wrong, explaining why existing stars aren't updated for this system.

Eve lore already has a Jovian wormhole drive - see the Inheritance chronicle. Sansha stole it and use it for incursions. Presumably SoCT are custodians of this technology.

Think of a jump drive that doesn't need a cyno - pretty disruptive if CCP adds it to the game!

What you are saying is to create new systems, my point is to create more content with security status dropping the further you go within existing systems with the added benefit of no local WH -1.0 true sec farthest out. The addition of stable and destructible gates can still work here. In fact it would add the added benefit that nowhere, especially in null sec, would anyone be safe as now you literally cannot know who is all actually in a system but the time it would take to get to the core planet regions would take several max jumps to get back to. And in these lawless areas player built gates could be made, though there would have to be some limitations here in high sec or for range, as well as once built there would have to be a slightly better mechanic to finding them but not as a celestial or easily found on DSCAN. Think the original smugglers gates in lore or even juiced up deadspace style gates one can stumble upon.

As for the new NPCs I highly doubt that what you say would be possible if CCP allows a lot greater variance to its new AI spawning mechanics as well as having the grid sizes change slightly and the entire grid be the warp to diameter variance. These three factors would give MORE than enough RNG factor to make it relatively unknown what you are going to jump into even with NPCs involved. Empty grid, few NPCs, few NPCS that batphone for more after locking you down, many NPCs that are industrialist in nature, many NPCs that are extremely hostile in nature, the possibility for all NPCs to batphone for more hostile reinforcements and then on top of that you get a variance of where you land on these grids; right on top of them, hundreds or thousands of kms away, coupled with your systems going haywire for a set time, hurried repairs on modules using paste or a new repair depot as the NPCs start burning at you or you see billions run away and warp off before you can engage them. And you are on your own unless you bring friends and they might have landed a few hundred kms from you or way on the other side and you have to watch your friends diaf while you can do nothing.

And THEN you have player pirates that have braved it ahead of you, that can hide in the system failure noise to probe you down and kill you. Each jump you go out is the same jump back. So the further you go the longer your return trip is. No bookmarks, no local, everything out there wants to kill you and eat your eyes for juju beans.

Anyone brave, or stupid, enough to anchor a citadel would have it be constantly harassed and attacked by NPCs as well as players and because it is "WH space" rules if it dies everything drops to the victor. Me personally Id drop the RF cycles by at least one plus being vulnerable all the time to attack. Lawless death. Total destruction. Id rather see a revamp or addition of a mobile depot to support this rather than a citadel though. Something along the lines of a 2-400mil depot thats incredibly hard to probe out, offers 2 ship tethering and repair and a larger hangar, refit and a 5 ship dockable with repair, hangar spaces and reprocessing and a single manufacturing slot (ammo and disposables plus t1 and meta modules). These would come without RF cycles, defend it or lose it but fairly sturdy shield regen and hps. Or a revamp of the Yurt depot to give something along the lines of these bonuses purely for these reasons and a change to the anchorable sec system value to match along with a significant build price increase.

And like the mobile micro jump unit these small gates would be able to fling you off into regions to make your travel time less but once anchored would be far easier to find by players and allow destruction or deactivation that isnt visible, use at your own risk as itll fling you not to your destination but somewhere.... But would bypass the repair and system failure stage but would use the ships capacitor to power the jump itself. And if broken or disabled the capacitor, regardless of the length of the jump normally, drains fully and flings the ship anywhere within a very wide diameter of the target. Normal ships can refit to a Jump drive unit and take the time to get back, freighters or jump freighters are stranded effectively as they have no module slots and anyone else using the gate gets the same variance and a different destination. This limits what can come and go by ship type from these regions in each sec space. Stranded in space...Danger Will Robinson Danger!!

I want people to get lost, screw up and die in the vast harshness of space. Not just from players but NPCs and effectively the "elements". I got stranded in a WH once and had to pod two characters to get home. I want Eve itself to get people lost and to eat them slowly as clouds, debris, NPCs, rogue drones and system style effects drain and destroy their ship over time as they struggle to find their way home after a failed attempt.

One thing I read actually resonated with me quite well (in a fond way).

It would be very cool to add diminishing sec status the further away you get from the sun. Makes sense too, considering that the volume of a sphere increases rather dramatically as you increase the radius (and since policing requires resources, it makes it difficult to police the outlying sections).

Totally impossible in Eve, for a myriad of different reasons. But it would be fun to be able to warp out into the deep unknown of a system and engage in a bit of highsec piracy.

Using a new prop mod to send a player someplace new is a good idea. What kind of place that is makes or breaks the utility of the system.

People don't plan for every possible encounter, they plan for the worst thing they can handle and find out how often they can take advantage of that before encountering an acceptable loss. If the probability of instablap is higher than the number of times they can profit before taking a loss, people will just not use the system because it's not a sustainable source of income.

Eve depends on conflict drivers that do everything in their power to make players cross paths and contest each others' claims. Going further from the center of a star system just means there's even more space, decreasing the chances two players will fling themselves on-grid of one another, or randomly probe the appropriate area; if you've ever tried to probe someone down in a 200+ AU system, imagine that and make it worse. If anyone can figure out a way to profit in deep space, it would end up being safer than ratting within the system proper. (And again: if people can't develop a methodology for profiting from the system, they won't use it.)