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Hello dears. Let's have a chat, shall we?
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#161 - 2017-06-01 20:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
That seems to be the case, yeah.

It's the result of someone hacking my infomorph in storage and digitally corrupting a lot of it, so it's not like I just hit my head or something. Practical skills and intellectual knowledge survived; pretty much nothing else did.

So, yeah. I'm not really her, as such.


Was that... you?


You mean did an active copy of me hack her own backup copy in long-term storage and leave that copy a sinister note about it to pass on to herself?

... No.

Or at least, it's not very likely.

My predecessor's death isn't confirmed, but she's missing, and has been for years. I wasn't supposed to activate, and should have been terminated by an automated system (hacked) or manually by cloning bay staff (blackmailed) before the clone activated fully, but once I was active Zainou and station administration were confronted with an illegally-activated but fully viable amnesiac duplicate of a missing, possibly dead, capsuleer-- a walking, talking crime scene who was also a person.

It was basically shoot me or let me occupy my former identity until someone found a better copy. And ... they took a bit about it, and probably talked with a bunch of lawyers, but apparently decided to err on the side of not shooting me.

From context, my "creators" are probably people hunting my predecessor. She left the Angel Cartel on kind of extremely bad terms. I don't know for sure of course, but I'd guess I'm probably a trap for her, something to bait her into resurfacing so they can do whatever they're planning on doing to her.

I doubt she will, even if she's still alive, though. And in the meantime, I don't feel like I owe very much to either side, so....

It's my life, for now. And I'll live it while it's mine.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#162 - 2017-06-01 20:46:22 UTC
Alternate post:

" Dibs."

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated
#163 - 2017-06-02 00:00:20 UTC
Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:
I am loyal only to her through existence... and the void.

Awwww crap! Seriously?!? I thought we were at least a team...

This conversation may have derailed slightly and I apologise for her doing in this, but in all honesty it is super swell seeing sooooo many awesome faces from all walks of life and followings. Having been IN... (got it right this time) exile for so long, I'm happy that the 'cluster keeps on keeping on.

Also, Aria... super sad to hear about that weird-as-stuff happening. I remember you being a thoroughly inquisitive and deep pensive sort and it was good to work alongside you when I actually took a break from all the killing and murdering to do science with you and the Sisters.

Anywho, with all said an' done, when are we having this chat folx? I gotta busy schedule with dates and dances and drifters...

But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose ♥
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#164 - 2017-06-02 12:16:00 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
You mean did an active copy of me hack her own backup copy in long-term storage and leave that copy a sinister note about it to pass on to herself?

... No.

Or at least, it's not very likely.



Funny, it sounds a lot like one of my Red Protocols.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#165 - 2017-06-02 12:17:12 UTC
Graelyn wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
You mean did an active copy of me hack her own backup copy in long-term storage and leave that copy a sinister note about it to pass on to herself?

... No.

Or at least, it's not very likely.



Funny, it sounds a lot like one of my Red Protocols.


For when you go blood?

Queen of Chocolate
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#166 - 2017-06-02 13:08:45 UTC
One must think a certain way in a world where TCMCs are a thing.

If such an unlikely scenario ever were to occur, though, it would be best for me to forget anything that would later come to harm my people or our allies.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#167 - 2017-06-02 13:20:42 UTC
In a world of infomorphs and all manner of potential infomorph corruption, malicious modification or other means of compromise, it's a pretty daft capsuleer that doesn't have a whole lot of layers of security including... let's call them "rollbacks" and redundancies.

People don't even treat their damn channel logs as recklessly as their infomorphs these days, it's insane.
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#168 - 2017-06-02 13:56:53 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
In a world of infomorphs and all manner of potential infomorph corruption, malicious modification or other means of compromise, it's a pretty daft capsuleer that doesn't have a whole lot of layers of security including... let's call them "rollbacks" and redundancies.

People don't even treat their damn channel logs as recklessly as their infomorphs these days, it's insane.


Lot´s of CONCORD regulations kinda monopolizing the market. The fluid router business got on pretty good with several companies operating it (with due supervision from concord of course), why the clone market doesn´t do the same points only to an agenda of their own to limit our power, the available technology, and most of all, protecting the gateless doors of the dreamstate.

That is why i invite people to help project Transcendence push the boundaries of not only their grasp on us, but the grasp from this universe.

Join Project Transcendence.

Applied technology for the enhancement of human experience.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#169 - 2017-06-02 14:27:59 UTC
One might consider we capsuleers to be a trial run of such a process.

I doubt we are considered a complete success. If you can't work out serious degenerative dementia issues among our relatively low numbers, no way in the hells that you'd dump it on Humanity At Large.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Arrendis
TK Corp
#170 - 2017-06-02 14:41:47 UTC
Graelyn wrote:

I doubt we are considered a complete success. If you can't work out serious degenerative dementia issues among our relatively low numbers, no way in the hells that you'd dump it on Humanity At Large.


Screening violently psychotic tendencies out, rather than seeming to screen toward them, might be a good start. Given the number of eggers who are rampaging murderbots with no other real ambitions... I can't imagine that's a normal sampling of the population, even with my generally dim view of humanity. That has to be a trait or tendency the capsuleer programs look for and promote.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#171 - 2017-06-02 14:50:17 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Graelyn wrote:

I doubt we are considered a complete success. If you can't work out serious degenerative dementia issues among our relatively low numbers, no way in the hells that you'd dump it on Humanity At Large.


Screening violently psychotic tendencies out, rather than seeming to screen toward them, might be a good start. Given the number of eggers who are rampaging murderbots with no other real ambitions... I can't imagine that's a normal sampling of the population, even with my generally dim view of humanity. That has to be a trait or tendency the capsuleer programs look for and promote.


Unless whatever it is that allows us to survive the process is also mostly prevalent in murderously inclined individuals.
A linkage of traits.

Queen of Chocolate
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#172 - 2017-06-02 14:51:31 UTC
Given the low number of genome-compatible candidates, I imagine they take anything that pops the screening process.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Jev North
Doomheim
#173 - 2017-06-02 14:53:54 UTC
I suspect it's (another) few filter effects. At a guess, it might be things like the nice, sane, and well-socialized capsuleers tend to stay inside Empire capsuleer programs, rather than the wild independent bunch. Or the demands of being a successful independent capsuleer requiring quite a lot of bloodshed. The gentler souls wash out, eventually, or the weight of it all simply starts fracturing our psyches in interesting ways.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#174 - 2017-06-02 14:57:02 UTC
Jev North wrote:
I suspect it's (another) few filter effects. At a guess, it might be things like the nice, sane, and well-socialized capsuleers tend to stay inside Empire capsuleer programs, rather than the wild independent bunch. Or the demands of being a successful independent capsuleer requiring quite a lot of bloodshed. The gentler souls wash out, eventually, or the weight of it all simply starts fracturing our psyches in interesting ways.

You don't have to like the cold to be Caldari, but it sure helps?

Queen of Chocolate
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#175 - 2017-06-02 15:02:11 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Graelyn wrote:

I doubt we are considered a complete success. If you can't work out serious degenerative dementia issues among our relatively low numbers, no way in the hells that you'd dump it on Humanity At Large.


Screening violently psychotic tendencies out, rather than seeming to screen toward them, might be a good start. Given the number of eggers who are rampaging murderbots with no other real ambitions... I can't imagine that's a normal sampling of the population, even with my generally dim view of humanity. That has to be a trait or tendency the capsuleer programs look for and promote.


Unless whatever it is that allows us to survive the process is also mostly prevalent in murderously inclined individuals.
A linkage of traits.


Graelyn wrote:
Given the low number of genome-compatible candidates, I imagine they take anything that pops the screening process.


A capsuleer is a very rare breed, first the physiological aspect, then the psychological treatment. It´s not like they have an abundant supply to cherry pick from.

Join Project Transcendence.

Applied technology for the enhancement of human experience.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#176 - 2017-06-02 15:07:19 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
A capsuleer is a very rare breed, first the physiological aspect, then the psychological treatment. It´s not like they have an abundant supply to cherry pick from.


It does seem like they accept whatever lunatics pass selection.

Queen of Chocolate
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#177 - 2017-06-02 15:14:21 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:

It does seem like they accept whatever lunatics pass selection.


Perhaps those are precisely the ones capable of enduring such a process.

As mentioned, the psychological resilence to endure the dissolution of ego is as important as the physiological compabilities. I can´t find the bibliography right now, but that may be one of the factors of such a large portion of achura capsuleers within the ranks.


Join Project Transcendence.

Applied technology for the enhancement of human experience.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#178 - 2017-06-02 15:21:11 UTC
Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:
Halcyon Ember wrote:

It does seem like they accept whatever lunatics pass selection.


Perhaps those are precisely the ones capable of enduring such a process.

As mentioned, the psychological resilence to endure the dissolution of ego is as important as the physiological compabilities. I can´t find the bibliography right now, but that may be one of the factors of such a large portion of achura capsuleers within the ranks.



Achurans are crazy?

Queen of Chocolate
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
#179 - 2017-06-02 15:23:52 UTC
Halcyon Ember wrote:

Achurans are crazy?


Hard mental conditioning and training since childhood. At least the rural ones, never cared for the big SuuVee cities, too much mundane aspects.

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#180 - 2017-06-02 15:43:16 UTC
Mental conditioning aside, Achura do tend to find the capsule attractive for about the same reason our monks tend to practice martial arts so much: shifting the borders of what constitutes the "self."

Traditional: practice with that [insert weapon here] until it becomes a part of your arm. Train until you move and act without thought, as naturally and automatically as wind blows or water flows. Be a sword, be a knife, be a gaffe hook and pole-- and realize, in that time, where is "self"?

Capsule: jack into a chunk of technology and poof, you're a supercarrier. Where is "self"?

You can maybe see the appeal of taking the kinda-sorta shortcut and getting to see the stars in the bargain instead of being stuck on Achura all your life.