EVE General Discussion

Dracvlad's posts are more dangerous to your sanity than the Necronomicon.

Maybe you can buy a sense of humor.

I can't help but notice the pattern with these people. Take ANY topic in Eve, does not matter what it is, where someone says that some mechanic or rule could use some review, and this is the pattern that emerges:


- Church of HTFU, no matter what the topic, will say that there is no change needed
- Then will say that it's not the mechanic or rule but it's "the bads" who "can't play the game"
-- then comes some of the "downward comparison" tactics usually laced with
--- "I think it's OK everybody who does not is carebear/loser/weak/risk averse/stupid"
--- Thus: already and automatically better than everybody who agrees with the OP and using every argument in favor of it as evidence of that which is silently claimed (but cannot be disputed because it's never outright claimed).

It's funny seeing how their little brain hamsters just keep going on that wheel. We can see right through them, which is why they pretend not to notice when we fire a contrarian shot across their bow.

But they are not arguing with us, or even an OP in such a thread. They are arguing with everybody they hate, because they need to, to feel better about themselves.

Sometimes I want to ask "show me on the doll where democracy/the unwashed masses who are beneath your ubermenchness/your parents/your ex girlfriend/cause and effect/being outnumbered by dumb people hurt you". Hey I can relate. Perhaps these people are so helpless in life that their only recourse is to come here and do what they do? Their posts nothing more than desperate cries against the unstoppable forces in their lives, like the condemned cursing against the wall he's facing while the firing squad is too busy to hear over the shots.

Are they so powerless to tell people what to do that they just have to do it here?

But whatever they are at war with, or what motivates them, they are not going to defeat it in a game. And certainly not going to beat it in a game forum.

Salvos is right: everything is indeed fine.

Conclusion: don't deliver to citadels. There. Fixed. Everything is fine. And those who are hurfing and blurfing about "well you can deliver to citadels just read the contract" need to be told they can't tell people what to do, ever. Simply not delivering to citadels instead of pouring through contracts will work every time.

It's just not a thread until the SJW Pope Herzog XIV pops in to bless every poor helpless downtrodden 'can't figure out a video game' type in existence.

You are entertainment enough, my friend.

"Stalking" ... is a bit self-flattering, no? You and I are cut from the same cloth except you took one path and I another. I can tell how dark the paths you tread and it shows in your posts. That's why I keep a channel open in case you need to vent. Things don't have to be the way they are.

Your result is correct, but your facts are a fantasy. Most collateral scams require an expander tanked freighter run through a high sec bottleneck.

Mr Epeen

Don't be so tricksy. I know what you are up to.

If you want to know how to set up a scam contract, you'll need to PM me after you make my wallet blink. Same if what you are after is how to set up a filter for it. (Which will catch about 10% as scammers know how to hide a scam).

I can also sell you info on what to do if you accidentally accept one of those. You'll know one once you take a peek into the package.

Either way. Nothing is free. You've gotten all the good will info you'll get from me. If you want the good stuff, I'm open to negotiating a price.

Mr Epeen

lol forum scam.

I love your style, never change.

You raised a valid point, and said who it impacted the most, there are a number of different arguments put forth by people, Salvos wanted a delay on the lock out, I want there to be a calculator of the cargo value on courier contracts, the trolls want to keep seeing new players get screwed for the good of Eve as they see it while abusing anyone who criticises mechanics which are making the act of scamming so easy. I come at it from the angle that in certain areas the mechanics in Eve make certain actions very easy, this is a game in-balance.

Simply put as Herzog and Salvos and others have said, do not do courier contracts to Citadels or EA's, it is as simple as that, of course you can try to screen out the scammers and it is possible to so with a certain amount of effort, but you will get caught out by the better ones who develop a rep and then use it at a suitable moment. You can also do research on which player owned structures will be fine to move stuff too. The question is how much effort do you want to put into this? Or perhaps you need to do something else, let the courier market collapse and then come back when CCP realise they need to adjust, it is not so much that CCP listen to people complaining like the trolls suggest, but more to do with them noticing after normally massive delay that something is going wrong in some area and people are no longer doing it, that is the only way this will get changed.

My focus on the value of the contents is something I have wanted for a long time and that was before citadels, and here is a rule of thumb for you, a collateral of 25% above the real value is fine, above that one has to ask questions, at the moment that really important decision making part of the risk equation is not there, so anyone caught by this type of stuff is not dumb, they have been screwed by poor mechanics, end of story, by being clever you can reduce the risk but the game is balanced towards a massive advantage to the scammers.

Did you note that I pointed out that the size of the courier contract is also an important issue and the inability to break it up into smaller chunks to move in more suitable ships for the threat. All my courier work was through item exchanges, and I used the ship suited to what I was carrying, I would use a cloaky T3 for very small expensive items, I moved ships without their bling that way, it helps having a toon that can fly every sub cap.

The trolls have derailed yet another thread, but at least it gave me a chance to point out the in-balance in the mechanics.