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To: The Developers (Reverse Engineering To Make Original Blueprints)
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Fifty Three
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-06-01 22:21:44 UTC
Ships, Modules, Planetary command centers, etc.

-Have to have both Invention and Research Modules installed in a Citadel/Engineering Complex to attempt the task.
-Have put in resources, minerals the project
- Depending on how advance the item/ship/etc.(i.e. Tier 1, Tier 2), then the more resources and Time needed to reverse engineer.
- Chance of successful reverse engineering something increases with Science skills, and other relevant skills.
-If unsuccessful with the Reverse Engineering attempt, after whatever time and with whatever resources(Minerals) input in the process, will result in all those things lost, along with the item trying to reverse engineer. So have to try again.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-06-01 22:33:36 UTC
Oh joy. It's you again. But I'm bored so I'll actually give this a proper response.

Okay, so for tech 1 equipment. What's wrong with just buying the blueprint? With very few exceptions all the prints are easily purchased from npc sell orders. So just buy them.

For tech 2 blueprints. Just about the only thing that actually keeps the profit margins reasonable is the invention process that limits supply. Being able to reverse engineer originals from those would very quickly flood the market making t2 manufacturing just as worthless as t1, and drive t1 even further into the dirt. We are trying to make t1 more relevant not less.

For t3 blueprints, you already get the blueprint copies via reverse engineering. So your saying to reverse engineer the reverse engineer? Making originals available would have the same effect on the t3 market as any other originals do. It will make the market crash hard. T3s would be even more widespread than they are now and the profit margins would vanish. Which would kill one of the only things WH space still has going for it.

Please stop suggesting mechanics for systems that you clearly don't even understand the first thing about.
If you want access to cheeper blueprints, that's what copies are for.
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#3 - 2017-06-01 22:34:38 UTC  |  Edited by: oiukhp Muvila
All BPOs should be removed from the game, and you should need to get tech 1 BPCs from NPC factions.

Named T1 BPCs should be drops, faction BPCs should be LP stores, higher meta should be drops, if they exist.

Tech II and Tech III BPCs should be invention/ reverse engineering.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#4 - 2017-06-01 22:37:21 UTC
We used to have reverse engineering of ancient relics to create T3 blueprint copies. Needless complexity - now they use the normal invention process.

Command centers are not player built - not sure if CCP ever intends to change that, it's a royal pain to ship them to nullsec.

Blueprint originals are an ISK sink to help balance the economy. NPCs are and likely will remain the only source for them.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#5 - 2017-06-02 00:16:44 UTC
You don't need to say "to the developers". That's literally the point of this section of the forums.

Do you preface every message in game in local chat with "to the people in this system"?
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#6 - 2017-06-02 01:30:13 UTC
i think its time to omega up an alt.....where is that locator agent again.
Cade Windstalker
#7 - 2017-06-02 01:34:47 UTC
If you need a T1 BPO you can buy it, if you need a T2 BPO there's a reason those aren't given out anymore and never should or will be. Same goes for Faction BPOs.

Even a very minimal knowledge of the game and its economics explains why these are bad for the game.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#8 - 2017-06-02 02:26:41 UTC
i feel like i tried correcting you on this before but t1 and t2 are TECH not TIER. there is a difference although tier have been functionally removed from the game. a scorpion is a tier two BB a widow is a tech two BB. a Naga is a tier three BC a Tengu is a Tech 3 cruiser.

so are you saying they should re-implement tiers back into the game or did you mean tech

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
mkint
#9 - 2017-06-02 03:40:08 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:

Please stop suggesting mechanics for systems that you clearly don't even understand the first thing about.


@OP, given your track record, this means ANY system. No joke, I get way more likes out of your threads than you do. Next time you get an idea for a F&I thread, try bringing it up in a chat channel first. Include the phrase "I'm not entirely sure I understand the system, what effect would this idea have?" With your track record, you can probably just forget most of them. Most ideas suck, that's just the nature of life. Posting them here is mostly just providing a handful of us some cruel entertainment. As it is, you post so many bad ideas, if you posted something that had any merit whatsoever, nobody would notice as it would be completely lost in the noise.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#10 - 2017-06-02 11:02:58 UTC
mkint wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:

Please stop suggesting mechanics for systems that you clearly don't even understand the first thing about.


@OP, given your track record, this means ANY system. No joke, I get way more likes out of your threads than you do. Next time you get an idea for a F&I thread, try bringing it up in a chat channel first. Include the phrase "I'm not entirely sure I understand the system, what effect would this idea have?" With your track record, you can probably just forget most of them. Most ideas suck, that's just the nature of life. Posting them here is mostly just providing a handful of us some cruel entertainment. As it is, you post so many bad ideas, if you posted something that had any merit whatsoever, nobody would notice as it would be completely lost in the noise.

You're wasting your time. I told him that several times and my posts got removed for "personal attacks" after he reported them.

Best to just ignore the OP, like the devs are surely doing as well. Wouldn't surprise me if they have a list for people like him.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-06-02 14:54:05 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
mkint wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:

Please stop suggesting mechanics for systems that you clearly don't even understand the first thing about.


@OP, given your track record, this means ANY system. No joke, I get way more likes out of your threads than you do. Next time you get an idea for a F&I thread, try bringing it up in a chat channel first. Include the phrase "I'm not entirely sure I understand the system, what effect would this idea have?" With your track record, you can probably just forget most of them. Most ideas suck, that's just the nature of life. Posting them here is mostly just providing a handful of us some cruel entertainment. As it is, you post so many bad ideas, if you posted something that had any merit whatsoever, nobody would notice as it would be completely lost in the noise.

You're wasting your time. I told him that several times and my posts got removed for "personal attacks" after he reported them.

Best to just ignore the OP, like the devs are surely doing as well. Wouldn't surprise me if they have a list for people like him.


You can most surely bet the devs are not ignoring him. They probably laugh as hard as we do. Maybe even harder. Though I must admit, the desire to answer with a flame must leave them with some seriously blue balls.
mkint
#12 - 2017-06-02 16:13:08 UTC
Old Pervert wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
mkint wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:

Please stop suggesting mechanics for systems that you clearly don't even understand the first thing about.


@OP, given your track record, this means ANY system. No joke, I get way more likes out of your threads than you do. Next time you get an idea for a F&I thread, try bringing it up in a chat channel first. Include the phrase "I'm not entirely sure I understand the system, what effect would this idea have?" With your track record, you can probably just forget most of them. Most ideas suck, that's just the nature of life. Posting them here is mostly just providing a handful of us some cruel entertainment. As it is, you post so many bad ideas, if you posted something that had any merit whatsoever, nobody would notice as it would be completely lost in the noise.

You're wasting your time. I told him that several times and my posts got removed for "personal attacks" after he reported them.

Best to just ignore the OP, like the devs are surely doing as well. Wouldn't surprise me if they have a list for people like him.


You can most surely bet the devs are not ignoring him. They probably laugh as hard as we do. Maybe even harder. Though I must admit, the desire to answer with a flame must leave them with some seriously blue balls.

Hmm... dev prank? Does 53 refer to a dev posting the 53 worst F&I ideas he's ever seen? Are we the joke?

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#13 - 2017-06-02 18:14:19 UTC
mkint wrote:
Old Pervert wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
mkint wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:

Please stop suggesting mechanics for systems that you clearly don't even understand the first thing about.


@OP, given your track record, this means ANY system. No joke, I get way more likes out of your threads than you do. Next time you get an idea for a F&I thread, try bringing it up in a chat channel first. Include the phrase "I'm not entirely sure I understand the system, what effect would this idea have?" With your track record, you can probably just forget most of them. Most ideas suck, that's just the nature of life. Posting them here is mostly just providing a handful of us some cruel entertainment. As it is, you post so many bad ideas, if you posted something that had any merit whatsoever, nobody would notice as it would be completely lost in the noise.

You're wasting your time. I told him that several times and my posts got removed for "personal attacks" after he reported them.

Best to just ignore the OP, like the devs are surely doing as well. Wouldn't surprise me if they have a list for people like him.


You can most surely bet the devs are not ignoring him. They probably laugh as hard as we do. Maybe even harder. Though I must admit, the desire to answer with a flame must leave them with some seriously blue balls.

Hmm... dev prank? Does 53 refer to a dev posting the 53 worst F&I ideas he's ever seen? Are we the joke?

You could be on to something here..

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-06-02 18:21:36 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
All BPOs should be removed from the game, and you should need to get tech 1 BPCs from NPC factions.

Named T1 BPCs should be drops, faction BPCs should be LP stores, higher meta should be drops, if they exist.

Tech II and Tech III BPCs should be invention/ reverse engineering.

Removing the BPOs would also remove the time and material efficiency bonuses, which supposed to be a huge part of the profit. NPCs could sell unbonused 10-run BPCs maybe, and make T1 BPOs an exploration drop?
I'm not sure how this would affect industrialists, I'm expecting mixed opinions: people with BPOs could get much more profit, but it would worth stealing BPOs too, and that could benefit the game.

If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it!

But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
Axure Abbacus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2017-06-02 23:44:54 UTC
Its great that a new player want to get involved in adding content. If you really want to get active in Eve, add to the Meta story, and be a productive member of the community, hook up with Eve-University. There is twenty years of content to learn and understand why things are the way it is and where this system is coming from. Even if you don't want to x up with another corp, the Eve-University Wiki will help you out with anything you need to know. Goonswarm had a decent wiki at one point as well. Read through the Dev sticky's as well, as they post everything you need to know.

Fly safe and enjoy the Journey.

It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#16 - 2017-06-03 00:31:05 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
i think its time to omega up an alt.....where is that locator agent again.


He frequents Teonusude.

Thought I'd save you 250k.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2017-06-03 01:33:08 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
i think its time to omega up an alt.....where is that locator agent again.


He frequents Teonusude.

Thought I'd save you 250k.


And has a habit of flying untanked mining ships.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#18 - 2017-06-03 06:54:27 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
i think its time to omega up an alt.....where is that locator agent again.


He frequents Teonusude.

Thought I'd save you 250k.


And has a habit of flying untanked mining ships.

Who would have thought..

Here's a fresh one

I found Fifty Three for you.
From: Kiljavas Yaskasen
Sent: 2017.06.03 06:52

I've found your sleazebag.

He is in the Ahteer system, Peges constellation of the Tash-Murkon region.

With regards,

Kiljavas Yaskasen

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.