Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You don't get "owned" due to module difference or due to character skill difference. You lose because you haven't learned the game yet. A player with better knowledge of game mechanics will always have a better chance of winning, even if they have a inferior ship.

There is no point in limiting this as it would fix nothing.

lol ok, if you use Pyfa, as an example a t1 Incursus will get 110dps vs a t2 145 dps. The t2 will win every time with players of basic combat knowledge. Not to mention the t2 gets better scram, web, tank, speed and then the skill point advantage of an older player.



Why should a veteran with a t2 ship be allowed into a "novice" site (inappropriate name)? This is not a very good trial of the game for new players. Novice sites are such a tiny aspect of faction warfare and a even tinier aspect of the entire game. If anything I think it would encourage new players to buy Omega clones because it would more likely get them into the game while they would want to start doing larger fw sites.

you're using T2 drones in those complexes .. you're not an alpha , you just neglected your gunnery skills . that's your choice , instead of fixing your poor choice , you want a nerf to others who made better decisions ..
another whiner crying "for the noobs!!" when you really mean "for me me me !!"

lol, I never said I was an alpha, although I am now and have been the past few months, I just happened to have a ship fitted with t2 stuff already. Gunnery skills are not neglected...fyi gunnery skills are not all that matters.




my point was that players with equal skills, the T2 is always going to win.





I'm writing from the perspective of someone who has got many people to try EVE, and want to help the new player experience and introduction to PVP. Yes they would not learn everything in a novice that only allows T1, but it would be a great mechanism for new players to learn PVP mechanics without being out gunned/moduled or forced to drop tons of ISK (for a new player) or spend tons of time training for T2 items. I know its hard for eve vets to see that point of view, but if you want the game to grow and people to subscribe, minor things like this should be done to improve the new player experience. We're talking only novice sites here...something very minor.

I get the strange feeling you guys don't like the current restrictions placed on FW sites Tier2 frigates aren't allowed in Novices...T3 destroyers are not allowed in Smalls. How would not allowing t2 modules in Novice sites be any different than that? It's basically a ship restriction. Dev's presumably made current FW restrictions for the same reason...why not take it a small step further to ensure low skill point players can jump in and have some low cost solo/duo fun in Novice sites?

Bling =/= win

If you want to confirm that, go look at all of the blingy ships that have died on the killboards.

Modules are the base "strength", pilots are the modifier. Even a 10% (abstracted number pulled from my ass) better pilot will easily beat a better-fit ship, unless said better pilot is flying a terrible fit for some reason.

Aren't faction, deadspace and officer modules technically also tech 1?

I've brought up this point to several players on the forums and they all said:



So that is the response you can expect.

This community is not noob-friendly.

New players should ABSOLUTELY have to deal with worms and garmurs with all tech 2 fits.

Stop QQ'ing.

thanks for the feedback guys. I get the fact that skill is more important than modules but this is not true if players are the same skill. If two players are the same skill and 1v1 in the same ship, the T2 is going to win (we're talking at least a +40% DPS buff, plus a bit of HP buff to). If T2 didn't matter, no one would use them. I thought T1 in Novices would be a pretty minor thing and act as a nice PVP training zone, but I can see why diehards would not like that.

So newbs that go into a "novice" wont have much of a chance vs a vet and on top of that T2 mods. Why even have any ship restrictions in FW?

You forgot the fact that fitting tech 2 is usually quite a bit harder than fitting a meta-version (tech 1). Fitting a ship is of always going to be a matter of what sacrifices you are willing to make to get a advantage on some attribute. You cannot slap everything you want on a ship, as it's limited by the CPU and powergrid. Rigs also have their own restriction (calibration).

A bigger ship is not always better.
A more expensive ship doesn't mean it's going to be a unkillable murder-machine.
A new character does not mean they are a new player.
Fitting tech 2 -modules on your ship does not guarantee victory.

Eve is a lot less strict than most MMO's. Just pure numbers don't tell the whole story. Some people can do amazing things while flying something that shouldn't work. Learn the game first before you try to change it. You'll quickly learn that in a way, Eve is actually more balanced than most other MMO's in that even a new player can be effective in a fight.