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The Ultimate Guide to Defeating CODE

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Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#101 - 2017-05-30 07:21:31 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.

@OP
If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time


It's not. Don't forget Noragen (I'm sure you're well aware) that a fully skilled cat can do near 700dps. The jam makes no sense in this case.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#102 - 2017-05-30 07:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alessienne Ellecon
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.

@OP
If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time


Because it can be used to mine independently outside of highsec, whereas a shield procurer in low or null would need a support fleet on standby. My alt does it all the time. Combat drones are used to pop belt rats, and ECM shuts down gankers. In highsec, the issue is moot because CODE won't even touch Procurers anymore. They usually go after Retrievers and Hulks.

AG fitting disciplines operate on two concepts: 1) versatility and 2) thinking outside the box. If you ever manage to wrap your head around that, then you'll understand.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#103 - 2017-05-30 07:40:13 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.

@OP
If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time


Because it can be used to mine independently outside of highsec, whereas a shield procurer in low or null would need a support fleet on standby. My alt does it all the time. Combat drones are used to pop belt rats, and ECM shuts down gankers. In highsec, the issue is moot because CODE won't even touch Procurers anymore. They usually go after Retrievers and Hulks.

AG fitting disciplines operate on two concepts: 1) versatility and 2) thinking outside the box. If you ever manage to wrap your head around that, then you'll understand.


Why not instead teach awareness and vigilance? Seems rather counter productive to fit like that and still afk. Miners want risk free isk generation..that's not gonna happen in eve. Paying attention is the best "fit" you can have to avoid getting ganked. It doesn't matter how you fit a ship..if they want you popped, you're gonna get popped..especially if afk.

If you want to help people avoid ganking..it doesn't take a fleet of AG concord whores, it takes teaching awareness, avoiding complacency, and not afking in space. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#104 - 2017-05-30 09:24:27 UTC
PSA
Ecm tank is useless if you mine afk...
Lol

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#105 - 2017-05-30 09:52:53 UTC
When I mined I found that D-Scan plus paying attention to local was the best tank.
Also, actually mining aligned really does work.
Didn't they add those spiffy Higgs rigs or whatever to slow down the ship?
With those you can slowboat across the belt and just keep nomming on the next rock to come into range.
Something spooky approaching? Cool, already aligned to safe... so poof I'mma gone before whatever lands.
But, you know, effort.
Much better to cry, saber rattle and come up with goofy fits that wont save you anyways.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#106 - 2017-05-30 12:57:32 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
When I mined I found that D-Scan plus paying attention to local was the best tank.
Also, actually mining aligned really does work.
Didn't they add those spiffy Higgs rigs or whatever to slow down the ship?
With those you can slowboat across the belt and just keep nomming on the next rock to come into range.
Something spooky approaching? Cool, already aligned to safe... so poof I'mma gone before whatever lands.
But, you know, effort.
Much better to cry, saber rattle and come up with goofy fits that wont save you anyways.

The best tanks are ALWAYS active tanks.

As in, player active and at the keyboard.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#107 - 2017-05-30 14:10:48 UTC
You are, of course correct Bronson.
I have no horse in the whole CODE. debate. I like some of em, I am annoyed by some of them... they're people, so that's gonna happen. I just find the incessant whining of those who can't be arsed to put forth the minimal effort necessary to defend themselves to be tiresome, to be quite frank. I mined for YEARS, and before crimewatch at that. Never ganked. Never ganked since I stopped mining either. CCP doesn't owe anyone safety. We have to take it upon ourselves to be responsible for our own safety, especially in high sec. If you die in high sec, it's your fault... no, seriously. You weren't paying attention. You didn't scout ahead, you flew afk, you were autopiloting, you froze when faced with an enemy bent on your destruction, you weren't paying attention so they got the drop on you, you ignored the warnings of others, you never thought you would need directional scan, surely they wont pod me after blowing up my ship, setting bad guys to red is for pvp'ers... and so on and so forth.

Own your crap. Your good stuff is yours, but your screwups are yours as well.
Accept them, learn from them, discard this idiotic victim mentality that so many embrace. YOU let this thing happen to you. It is up to YOU to keep it from happening to YOU again.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#108 - 2017-05-31 06:09:54 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.

@OP
If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time


Because it can be used to mine independently outside of highsec, whereas a shield procurer in low or null would need a support fleet on standby. My alt does it all the time. Combat drones are used to pop belt rats, and ECM shuts down gankers. In highsec, the issue is moot because CODE won't even touch Procurers anymore. They usually go after Retrievers and Hulks.

AG fitting disciplines operate on two concepts: 1) versatility and 2) thinking outside the box. If you ever manage to wrap your head around that, then you'll understand.


Why not instead teach awareness and vigilance? Seems rather counter productive to fit like that and still afk. Miners want risk free isk generation..that's not gonna happen in eve. Paying attention is the best "fit" you can have to avoid getting ganked. It doesn't matter how you fit a ship..if they want you popped, you're gonna get popped..especially if afk.

If you want to help people avoid ganking..it doesn't take a fleet of AG concord whores, it takes teaching awareness, avoiding complacency, and not afking in space. Why is that so hard to comprehend?


Did you even read the OP?

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#109 - 2017-05-31 06:19:57 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but I suddenly feel the need to have a question answered.

@OP
If CODE. usually gank in fleets of 3 or less how is a ECM tanked Proc better than a shield tanked Proc (In highsec only)? I ran the Math and I believe you need a minimum of 5-6 destroyers of any type to gank a fully tanked Proc? So again how is this ECM one better in Highsec which is where CODE. operate the vast majority of the time


Because it can be used to mine independently outside of highsec, whereas a shield procurer in low or null would need a support fleet on standby. My alt does it all the time. Combat drones are used to pop belt rats, and ECM shuts down gankers. In highsec, the issue is moot because CODE won't even touch Procurers anymore. They usually go after Retrievers and Hulks.

AG fitting disciplines operate on two concepts: 1) versatility and 2) thinking outside the box. If you ever manage to wrap your head around that, then you'll understand.


Why not instead teach awareness and vigilance? Seems rather counter productive to fit like that and still afk. Miners want risk free isk generation..that's not gonna happen in eve. Paying attention is the best "fit" you can have to avoid getting ganked. It doesn't matter how you fit a ship..if they want you popped, you're gonna get popped..especially if afk.

If you want to help people avoid ganking..it doesn't take a fleet of AG concord whores, it takes teaching awareness, avoiding complacency, and not afking in space. Why is that so hard to comprehend?


Did you even read the OP?


Have you read the comments?

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Jdom TheHunter
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2017-05-31 06:32:30 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
You are, of course correct Bronson.
I have no horse in the whole CODE. debate. I like some of em, I am annoyed by some of them... they're people, so that's gonna happen. I just find the incessant whining of those who can't be arsed to put forth the minimal effort necessary to defend themselves to be tiresome, to be quite frank. I mined for YEARS, and before crimewatch at that. Never ganked. Never ganked since I stopped mining either. CCP doesn't owe anyone safety. We have to take it upon ourselves to be responsible for our own safety, especially in high sec. If you die in high sec, it's your fault... no, seriously. You weren't paying attention. You didn't scout ahead, you flew afk, you were autopiloting, you froze when faced with an enemy bent on your destruction, you weren't paying attention so they got the drop on you, you ignored the warnings of others, you never thought you would need directional scan, surely they wont pod me after blowing up my ship, setting bad guys to red is for pvp'ers... and so on and so forth.

Own your crap. Your good stuff is yours, but your screwups are yours as well.
Accept them, learn from them, discard this idiotic victim mentality that so many embrace. YOU let this thing happen to you. It is up to YOU to keep it from happening to YOU again.



Too many time I've called out safe up in multiple chats and there's always someone not paying attention and then gets popped. After that then that person proceeds to start chat fights over it like they had no defense against said attacks. It gets old trying to educate people on safe behavior in highsec. I firmly believe most if not all should spend some serious time in null. I learned to keep eyes and ears at attention even when docked. It's not hard but there's those that refuse to adapt and those will fail.

Sad thing is that I've only played a year all together on eve and yet I figured this out pretty quickly. Many have played years and still get gankers due to continuous careless behavior.
Casi Onzo
True Drone Expanse
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#111 - 2017-05-31 15:36:57 UTC
I will state also that if you do the math you can easily choose to accept the loss of a ship and make more than enough within an hour to replace the mining barge and not care if you get ganked. If they want to persist and harass you change system. If they follow simply log off or sit in station for an hour or so then resume once you bore them with the lack of content while you go and do something else that is entertaining to you. For those who would rather keep playing then one way to avoid gankers that are active in the area you live in is to have a jump clone that is 20+ jumps away from that area and at least 10 from a market most won't try to go after you at that point, bonus points if you move onto an island.

Get over it and move on.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#112 - 2017-05-31 16:01:48 UTC
Casi Onzo wrote:
I will state also that if you do the math you can easily choose to accept the loss of a ship and make more than enough within an hour to replace the mining barge and not care if you get ganked. If they want to persist and harass you change system. If they follow simply log off or sit in station for an hour or so then resume once you bore them with the lack of content while you go and do something else that is entertaining to you. For those who would rather keep playing then one way to avoid gankers that are active in the area you live in is to have a jump clone that is 20+ jumps away from that area and at least 10 from a market most won't try to go after you at that point, bonus points if you move onto an island.

If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.

Evil RatKid
Casi Onzo
True Drone Expanse
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#113 - 2017-05-31 16:06:15 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.


That is just a waste of money and funding lazy gameplay on part of code so why would I waste my time with that scam that is more obvious than the gecko contract scam you find in Jita being repeated at least 3 times a minute?

Get over it and move on.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#114 - 2017-05-31 16:11:40 UTC
Casi Onzo wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.


That is just a waste of money and funding lazy gameplay on part of code so why would I waste my time with that scam that is more obvious than the gecko contract scam you find in Jita being repeated at least 3 times a minute?

A "scam" usually works against you... a permit doesn't Roll

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

Instigator of the First ISD Thunderdome

CCL Loyalist
Casi Onzo
True Drone Expanse
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#115 - 2017-05-31 16:19:00 UTC
Eh it's a waste of money so that is against you like a scam is it not

Get over it and move on.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#116 - 2017-05-31 16:31:36 UTC
Casi Onzo wrote:
Eh it's a waste of money so that is against you like a scam is it not

See, this is exactly why miners should just stop thinking for themselves and listen to the advice of your friendly local New Order Agent. It's like every time they try to evaluate their situation and react to it they make it worse.

miner, know your limits!

Evil RatKid
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#117 - 2017-05-31 16:57:19 UTC
Casi Onzo wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.


That is just a waste of money and funding lazy gameplay on part of code so why would I waste my time with that scam that is more obvious than the gecko contract scam you find in Jita being repeated at least 3 times a minute?


Post with your main or gtfo.

Why a forum alt? Afraid of repercussions for your comments? Roll

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#118 - 2017-05-31 21:17:58 UTC
Face it defeating code is like curing cancer you spend a crap ton of money on it and get little to zero results....

I mean spend your billions... I take donations ill give yea a cute little ribbon made of catalyst parts for every billion donated for the cure!!!

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
Casi Onzo
True Drone Expanse
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#119 - 2017-06-01 00:26:16 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Casi Onzo wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:

If you where actually good at math you would just go legit and purchase a mining permit. They are only 10mil ISK and valid for a full year.


That is just a waste of money and funding lazy gameplay on part of code so why would I waste my time with that scam that is more obvious than the gecko contract scam you find in Jita being repeated at least 3 times a minute?


Post with your main or gtfo.

Why a forum alt? Afraid of repercussions for your comments? Roll


Nah just too lazy to change it but certain people already know who I am so I don't care. But, unlike the trolls who just want to say code wins I am simply stating you don't have to play their game and do just fine. Cool

Get over it and move on.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#120 - 2017-06-03 13:23:51 UTC
No one cares about code except code shiptoasters.

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