EVE General Discussion

i don't see the issue, it fits perfectly within the trust portion of the game, if you don't trust someone enough to risk losing access to your assets then don't store them there, the same has always applied for conquerable stations and outposts for as long as they have existed, at the end of the day you're not required to dock at a citadel, you're not required to interact with them at all in high sec, which is the only place this has become an "issue"

And i say "issue" because its not actually an issue of mechanics, its a misunderstanding of players who think high sec is or should be "safe", it never has nor ever will be safe, there are however tools and options for you to minimise the risk, now, if you CHOOSE to use a citadel then you accept the risk that goes along with it, much like you accept that undocking means someone MIGHT kill you, i mean, you're entirely free to set up your own citadel in a particular system if you absolutely HAVE to use one, then nobody can block you from docking there, although that can blow it up and deny you access to those same things that someone denied you from accessing before, which can also happen to a 3rd party citadel i might add

Yes.

Egro, a delay on standing/access changes in Upwell structures does not prevent scams.
So no problem there.

What issue do you have with a delay on changing standing/access settings in Upwell structures so they can wrap up their assets/interests/business before being forced into a systemic 5-20 day delay due to the structure owner spending a few seconds/clicks to lock them out?

Wrong term. Captured, with all contents available.

He can speak for himself. But to me, you don't go changing things when you don't really need to. The game provides enough tools, warnings and information for an aware player to avoid the issue being discussed. Players do it all the time outside high sec in places like Providence and other places with Free ports.

Such a change would negatively affect places like that, people might simply stop having free ports in null and low sec space because they could not shut out people who became suddenly belligerent.

When I lived in Wicked Creek, a citadel owned by our neighbors was a free port. If someone used that citadel as a base to raid into their space or ours, they would simply revoke that guy's docking rights and when he got killed and podded he have to fly out all the way from npc null to get back at us instead of docking in that nearby citadel. A delay would give people like this more time to do what they are doing, which means that non-high sec groups would be even less likely to host Free Ports in their space, and free ports are content generators in lots of ways (especially trade)



TL;DR you don't go changing the game and screwing it up for non-high sec players because a few high sec players are to lazy to read a warning pop up.

It's not justified at all. The only reason you want to change this is because you cannot be bothered to look at the contract information or do basic background checks on the issuer before clicking the accept button. That does not justify ******* over the likes of providence.

The issue i have is that its complicating mechanics that don't really need complicating, if i bar you from my place of business i expect you to leave immediately, not to loiter trying to wrap up your business, private property is private property and should a person choose to revoke your ability to access it that should be instant, this isn't something that needs fixing due to it not being "broken" to begin with, there are numerous warnings, this is EVE not hello kitty online, your choices have consequences

If you expect to remove someone from your place of business immediately, they are also entitled to taking their property with them without waiting 5-20 days to pick it up at some random point. Its their property, not yours. You have autonomy over the structure, but not their property within it.

The discrepancy here, is in it taking a few seconds/clicks to FORCE the player to lose access to their assets for 5-20 days, no matter what they do.

Its too easy and too immediate (a matter of seconds) compared for the repercussions for another players assets being withheld from them for 5-20 days.

How about they don't stuff all their assets in one structure where they cannot be sure they will always have access to? If you split your stuff in multiple places, you effectively protect yourself from this.

It's really easy, if you don't like the risk of being locked out, don't store stuff there. Every single player in the game has other options. If they are not willing to use those options, it's their own fault.

Its their stuff. Why should they have to wait 5-20 days to get it out.
IRL they can send in a neutral party to retrieve their property immediately and you have no legal recourse to argue against it.
If you refuse to allow that party access to retrieve the assets, you will be considered as holding their property illegally.

Point being here, sure, you can lock them out of your premises, but a few seconds/clicks is disparate to forcing a 5-20 day denial of access from them to their assets.

A delay in the enacting of an access/standing change is the rational solution.

Essentially equal to stating you have x time to clear out your property, after which you are no longer welcome here.