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Does ccp intend to replace all stations with citadels or just sov null
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Veine Miromme
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-05-30 07:48:17 UTC
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/439u5k/does_ccp_intend_to_replace_all_stations_with/

Does ccp intend to replace all stations with citadels or just sov null? : Eve

Jan 29, 2016 - What would the ramifications in low or high sec be, if assets in. ... NPC stations are here to stay Outposts will be changed/or removed when the ...


My main has 15b to 25b worth of assets.
1. What will happen to those assets?
2. Do I have to move everything out by a certain deadline?
3. Will it be transferred to the new citadel which will replace the removed structure?

Ship Type : Out of pod (for now)
Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
#2 - 2017-05-30 08:08:18 UTC
From https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-next-steps-in-structure-transition/

tl;dr bullets:

  • Currently known plans are just sov null stations
  • Your stuff automatically goes to the replacement citadel
  • If it doesn't fit for some reason, it goes into asset safety


What gets replaced:
Quote:
Upwell will be engaging in a massive program upgrading all of nullsec’s Outposts and Conquerable Stations


For Outposts:
Quote:
The centerpieces of this celebration will be a new set of faction Citadels that will be exclusive to the Outpost replacement program. These special upgraded Citadels will enter the game through this Outpost replacement event and then no more copies of these types will ever be added.

There will be five faction Citadels available-- one to replace each of the Outpost types and one to replace the Conquerable Stations built long ago by the “Immensea” organization. The four Outpost replacement Citadels will use upgraded and rescaled versions of the Outpost visual models and will therefore look very familiar to current nullsec residents.


For Conquerable Stations:
Quote:
The one Conquerable Station replacement Citadel type will look like a Fortizar with a new unique color scheme.

Each of these new faction Citadels will have the stats of an improved Fortizar, and share the Fortizar’s docking restrictions. Each will gain a set of special bonuses connected to their former station identity: combining the defensive benefits of a Fortizar with extra bonuses usually reserved for more vulnerable structures.


When and how:
Quote:
The Outpost replacement event is currently planned for this winter, in a patch some period of time after the expansion that contains the Refineries. As we get closer to release we will start getting more specific about the dates involved.

During the downtime on the event day, the new faction Citadels will be automatically anchored at a location near the Outpost or Conquerable Station they are replacing. Whenever possible items that were inside the old Outpost or Conquerable will be moved directly into the new Citadel, with some items moved into asset safety as needed. Any of the items placed in the new Citadels can be manually placed into asset safety by their owners whenever they wish, just like all items in other Upwell structures.


There are additional details in the post that I trimmed.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-05-30 08:12:51 UTC
No stations at all are being replaced with Citadels.

Only Outposts are.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#4 - 2017-05-30 08:19:37 UTC
Just in case you can transfer your stuff to me for safe keeping in case stations dissappear over night il bury it some place in pator desert

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Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
#5 - 2017-05-30 08:23:00 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
No stations at all are being replaced with Citadels.

Only Outposts are.

Are Conquerable Stations not "stations"? Does the community just roll them into Outposts despite the devs apparently making a distinction?
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#6 - 2017-05-30 08:33:33 UTC
Conquerable stations are being upgraded to faction citadels the same time as Outposts. At that point, stargates will be the only non-destructible infrastructure in sovereign nullsec.

NPC stations are not. I expect CCP will make NPC stations less attractive over time - fewer services, higher cost to use them but I do not believe they will be replaced in the foreseeable future.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-05-30 08:40:33 UTC
Suren Scott wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
No stations at all are being replaced with Citadels.

Only Outposts are.

Are Conquerable Stations not "stations"? Does the community just roll them into Outposts despite the devs apparently making a distinction?

What conquerable stations?

Name one.

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Suren Scott
Extra-galactic Cooperative
#8 - 2017-05-30 08:51:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Suren Scott
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

What conquerable stations?

Name one.


It's not my term, CCP says there's Immensea Conquerable Stations in their blog post.

Quote:
Conquerable Station replacement Citadel type will look like a Fortizar with a new unique color scheme.

Quote:
The “Immensea” Conquerable Station replacement Citadels will gain extra defensive benefits, hitpoints and slots as well as milder versions of the bonuses from the other four faction Citadels.


And they use "replacement Citadels" plural, suggesting there's more than one Immensea Conquerable Station being replaced.

I'm guessing the most likely source of confusion is that CCP has a name for something that players call something else?

Edit: Google says they predate Outposts.

Archived wiki post

And an old Bravenewbies reddit post led me to a Dotlan map for FAT-6P showing "Station (Conquerable)" which is different from "Caldari Research Outpost" listed in 7RM-N0.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-05-30 09:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tuttomenui II
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Suren Scott wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
No stations at all are being replaced with Citadels.

Only Outposts are.

Are Conquerable Stations not "stations"? Does the community just roll them into Outposts despite the devs apparently making a distinction?

What conquerable stations?

Name one.


There are a few of them. I lived out of one in null for a time. Don't assume they don't exist just because you haven't heard of them.

Suren Scott wrote:


It's not my term, CCP says there's Immensea Conquerable Stations in their blog post.



Immensea refers to the NPC organization that originally owned them. Kind of like all the customs offices were seeded as being owned by NPCs but the players could destroy them and replace them. Only with the stations they were taken over instead.

Quote:
Stations built long ago by the “Immensea” organization.
From the blog post you linked.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-05-30 11:17:20 UTC
No like 50% of the player base would quit. Majority of people ingame are highsec players who don't care about cits.
Kathern Aurilen
#11 - 2017-05-30 12:34:10 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Conquerable stations are being upgraded to faction citadels the same time as Outposts. At that point, stargates will be the only non-destructible infrastructure in sovereign nullsec.

NPC stations are not. I expect CCP will make NPC stations less attractive over time - fewer services, higher cost to use them but I do not believe they will be replaced in the foreseeable future.

That's fine. I all my work at the citadels, but I don't trust to keep all I own in a station that one day might be locked out of or for some reason becomes unacceptable.

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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#12 - 2017-05-30 12:56:58 UTC
Kathern Aurilen wrote:
Do Little wrote:
Conquerable stations are being upgraded to faction citadels the same time as Outposts. At that point, stargates will be the only non-destructible infrastructure in sovereign nullsec.

NPC stations are not. I expect CCP will make NPC stations less attractive over time - fewer services, higher cost to use them but I do not believe they will be replaced in the foreseeable future.

That's fine. I all my work at the citadels, but I don't trust to keep all I own in a station that one day might be locked out of or for some reason becomes unacceptable.


You do realise you can be locked out of citadels and not NPC stations right? :P

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/outpost/VFK-IV is a conquerable station, they look like NPC stations but act like outposts, they are legacy stations from many many many moons ago prior to outposts even being designed, these ar ethe ones being converted in to citadels
Cade Windstalker
#13 - 2017-05-30 13:37:55 UTC
Going to elaborate a bit more, this isn't all Null stations just conquerable ones and Sov Outposts.

There are still going to be NPC stations in NPC Null.