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The 'plan' was laid out rather clearly during fanfest and only details remain. From basically every change we have seen so far recently we know that by the time CCP announced a change is coming they have most of it already locked down and what we get is mostly what is announced. From that we can expect the new subsystems to be as they were shown and I am basing my comments ion that layout, It makes tank and cloak as wel as CAP/PG vs sensors/electronics mutually exclusive. At best this will force a refit between travel and action and in fact will increase the overall risk fo using the ship.

Changes such as these will be locked down by now, one month before release, so the chances of any substantial changes will be minimal. The focus panel is a paper tiger IMO and serves more as a 'look, we involve our players in the process' role than an actual feedback and adjustment tool. Also I doubt any of the panel members would argue against their best interests as they mainly consist of group PVP players who would not benefit from anything I am bringing up here.

We've seen from recent changes that even very in depth and elaborate feedback and scription of issue, including solutions, are completely ignored and new 'features' released as-is. Point in case are the scanning changes which at first glance seem to be progress but at the core are really a few steps back with some shiny paint to cover it up.


Maaybe CCP suprises me, but I do not hold out much hope.

This makes me excited! Especially the change to rigs, but the promise to power up some of the more exotic combinations is nice, too.

Whenever I used T3Cs, I tended to waste tons of money because I kept changing rigs and subsystems to experiment around. So the ability to change rigs without destroying them is pretty damn important for me.

I just was going to buy my first T3C.. But now I will probably wait and see. They will either nerf it and it will become tanky good for nothing or they will "accidently" imbalance it into something like Svipul not long ago.. and nerf it later. Either way if it will not fill roles of HAC and Recon what can it be good for anyway? Command ship? Logistic cruiser? Relic hacking explosion tanking covops? Somehow I don't think anything good will come out of it.
If number of subsystems on T3C will go down, how by the way it will affect overall price of the ship?

I hate these exclusive little Focus groups that just excludes everyone else.. isn't there already a csm for that?
removable rigs ... at 60 mil a pop for a set of T2 rigs.. does that really encourage versatility?

T3's need simplifying and cheapening ... 600mil plus isn't acceptable price for a cruiser especially when you add on spares (rigs/subs/mods)... and thats before you nerf them...

Needed Changes

massive price reduction ( dirt cheap subs so its viable too have lots of them in cargo too swap around)
No rigs
T1 resists (the EHP is just insane and the low sig + high resists is just a dumb combo)
build all stats/slots into the hull ( would make it much less convoluted and less time consuming and annoying)

Just guess here, but you also believe a Ferrari needs to be much less expensive..

These are supposed to be specialized high-end ships and that comes with a price both in prerequisite to fly and components. I agree with the Focus group comment though. That is more of a 'see.. we care' option than anything else and will not add anything to the probably already locked and set plans for the nerf.

The very idea that "less subsystems = more simple game" is stupid.

Add month of two for skill training and then what? We will have the same situation as now.

It was already proven that neither SP cost or ISK cost are good balancing factor.

While i agree with most of the combining and shifting of subsystems but how will these changes effect the overshadowing they currently have on current HACs?

One more thing.
I think it would be best if we ditched rigs for the t3 altogether. My personal opinion at least

If you wanted to make t3dds harder to train into, just add 3 new skills, one for each mode (tank, sharpshooter, propulsion) that you can train to both unlock (at L1? L3?) and increase the efficiency of each mode.

Reading all of the posts in this thread, one thing became clear in my mind.Most people hate change and everyone is a sceptic.
It is clear,to me at least,that we are heading for a big nerf (usually described as "rebalance" ) and my guess is that very few people will be happy with it.
However this is not something new to most of us.It has happened before and, by the looks of it , it will happen again.
Regardless of what everyone here has to say decisions are already taken and we all have to follow.
Even the pilots chosen to test the "new" ships are amongst those who will use this knowledge to their Alliance/corp benefit and I don't think they care about different play styles etc.(Lets only hope I am wrong on this)
Overall all us (the under-priveledged ones) have to wait and see what our future with these changes will look like.
The only thing that really makes me hate the upcoming nerf is that when those t3 ships were introduced myself and lots of other players spent lots of time cross training for all subsystems and hulls because of what these ships represented at the time.This taken into account we are now called to fly some new ships that we don't know if we like them (that said, in my opinion it is VERY important to like something when ever you are playing a game for fun on your own spare time and, of course money) while in fact we could have devoted that time to train for something different.
Personally i would like to be given the choice to able to decide if I want to fly this new type or not.
Of course I know this is not going to happen but I just had to say it.