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Standing Mechanics, Faction > NPC Corp?

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Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#1 - 2012-01-23 14:25:41 UTC
So I know Faction standings can override NPC Corp standings for missions etc. Do they prevent sentries from firing on you in highsec? Example, I get to -6.0 with Wiyrdomi Corporation, this means that Wiyrdomi station's sentry guns will shoot at me as soon as they see me. If I have 0 or positive standing with the Caldari State, will this override my negative standings with Wiyrdomi?

Furthermore, can someone confirm that I will not be locked out of hostile stations?

Thanks
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2012-01-23 17:36:43 UTC
Not entirely sure on the sentries thing but having been to 0.0 NPC space I can say that you won't get locked out as guys like the Sansha, Blood Raiders and Angels HATE me xD

But then again that's faction standing, not corp standing. The corps within those pirate factions are still fairly neutral to me.

The Drake is a Lie

gfldex
#3 - 2012-01-23 17:40:58 UTC
Hilato Talkori wrote:
Example, I get to -6.0 with Wiyrdomi Corporation, this means that Wiyrdomi station's sentry guns will shoot at me as soon as they see me.


Do they? When was that changed?

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#4 - 2012-01-23 17:49:23 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Hilato Talkori wrote:
Example, I get to -6.0 with Wiyrdomi Corporation, this means that Wiyrdomi station's sentry guns will shoot at me as soon as they see me.


Do they? When was that changed?

"Access to stations
If your standing to a corporation or faction drops below -5.00, you will be attacked on sight by their vessels and their sentry guns around their stations. You will no longer be able to dock there and use their services."
http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=StandingSystem
That's what I found, but I wanted to confirm it, and find out if the faction standings overrode it.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-01-23 20:08:24 UTC
You pose a very good question which probably should be addressed by CCP.


I do know that you can have positive Faction and Corporation standing and still be attacked by NPC corp station sentry guns for attacking it's property, such as the NPC Industrial Caravans you see leaving various stations in high security. Doing so will give you a Criminal Countdown timer which will last for 15 minutes after your last shot. They don't send any ships after you but you'll definitely lose Corporation standing and probably lose your ship as well.

I'm not sure about this but I think during that CC aggro timer, you're not allowed to dock in any station owned by that specific corporation. If your ship warped away and then came back within range of their sentry guns while the CC aggro timer is still active, the sentry guns will fire on you again which I believe resets the timer back to 15 minutes. I think jumping into another system with the CC aggro timer still active will also reset it back to 15 minutes again.

I really don't know what would happen once you have -5.00 or lower corporation standing. Seems logical to think that specific Corporation would consider you an outlaw, allow you no access and open fire on you even if you had high Faction standing. I've never heard of this ever happening but since this is Eve I wouldn't doubt it.

However, there is the recently added agent availability clause - all level 1 agents being available to all regardless of standings. The question is does that pertain only to Faction standing or does it also include Corporation standing as well? If it does include Corporation standing, then stations would allow you access and not fire on you even if you have -5.00 or lower Corporation standing.

Now if this statement is true -
Quote:
Access to stations:
If your standing to a corporation or faction drops below -5.00, you will be attacked on sight by their vessels and their sentry guns around their stations. You will no longer be able to dock there and use their services.

- Then the only way to gain access to their level 1 agents would be to fleet up with someone else and share mission rewards for a while until you've gained above -5.00 Corporation standing. That would in effect nullify the recently added agent availability clause.

As I said, this is something that CCP needs to clarify.

Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#6 - 2012-01-23 20:42:33 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
You pose a very good question which probably should be addressed by CCP.


I do know that you can have positive Faction and Corporation standing and still be attacked by NPC corp station sentry guns for attacking it's property, such as the NPC Industrial Caravans you see leaving various stations in high security. Doing so will give you a Criminal Countdown timer which will last for 15 minutes after your last shot. They don't send any ships after you but you'll definitely lose Corporation standing and probably lose your ship as well.

This a corpmate and I can confirm...can also confirm a merlin is nearly instantly locked and destroyed....

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I'm not sure about this but I think during that CC aggro timer, you're not allowed to dock in any station owned by that specific corporation. If your ship warped away and then came back within range of their sentry guns while the CC aggro timer is still active, the sentry guns will fire on you again which I believe resets the timer back to 15 minutes. I think jumping into another system with the CC aggro timer still active will also reset it back to 15 minutes again.

This I can confirm is not accurate...at least for the docking part. My corpmate was able to dock after losing his merlin. I didn't think to find out if the timer reset when they shot his ibis.

I guess this means I should contact CCP? Would you recommend an ingame route, or how would you recommend contacting them?

Thank you,
Hilato Talkori
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-23 22:06:12 UTC
Well, your friend was probably able to dock due to being in his pod since NPC's don't shoot at pod's.


As for getting info on this, might get a Dev reply to this thread within the next day or two. Also there's the petition option. Just make sure you file it in the right category. Of course that will take a few days to a week, maybe even longer, to get a reply.

Here's an excellent guide on how to successfully attack NPC Convoy's.

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Guide:Attacking_Convoys
Hilato Talkori
Vigilans Aeternum
#8 - 2012-01-23 22:10:20 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Well, your friend was probably able to dock due to being in his pod since NPC's don't shoot at pod's.


As for getting info on this, might get a Dev reply to this thread within the next day or two. Also there's the petition option. Just make sure you file it in the right category. Of course that will take a few days to a week, maybe even longer, to get a reply.

Here's an excellent guide on how to successfully attack NPC Convoy's.

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Guide:Attacking_Convoys

Right, but it still let him dock even with the timer.

Alright, I'll see if a dev doesn't decide to reply :), quicker than a petition at least...

Thanks for the guide...I've actually gone over it and a couple others a few times... It is a pretty fun aspect of EVE, and certainly fits with my RP.
gfldex
#9 - 2012-01-24 00:59:37 UTC
Hilato Talkori wrote:

"Access to stations
If your standing to a corporation or faction drops below -5.00, you will be attacked on sight by their vessels and their sentry guns around their stations. You will no longer be able to dock there and use their services."
http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=StandingSystem
That's what I found, but I wanted to confirm it, and find out if the faction standings overrode it.


Bull*beep* found on the internet tends to be bull*beep*. Station guns shoot you when you got a global or a timer towards the station holder. Standings are ignored but by guns and for docking rights.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Kata Amentis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-01-24 12:56:08 UTC
Hilato Talkori wrote:
So I know Faction standings can override NPC Corp standings for missions etc.


The faction standings don't "override", but a great many agents (all normal agents I think) do have the requirements of "personal standings > x OR corp standings > y OR faction > z"

if you look at some of the R&D agents you'll see they have a different setup where they have don't have the "... OR faction > z" element, so to unlock those agents you need to invest time running missions for their corp rather than grinding the navy/fleet corp for faction standings.

Curiosity killed the Kata... ... but being immortal he wasn't too worried about keeping a count.