Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Relevant thread from 2013:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4269005#post4269005
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4287956#post4287956

tldr:

- someone wants to have "spammers" / "afk players" kicked out of Jita to open server resources for "active players."

- DEV responds by saying that "afk players" do not consume server resources the same way "active players" do and are pretty much a non-issue because the server will automatically allocate resources accordingly.

- even on dedicated nodes (which are separate from each other), major fleet flights are laggy and suffer TiDi because that is the nature of the beast.
Kicking people out in some nodes will not make other nodes run smoother as they are utilizing resources on different hardware.

Not only is that not how the game works, that's very nearly the opposite of how the game works.

A fair analogy would be comparing the server cluster to a city. Over in one corner of the city is where all the afk'ers sitting in station are. Over on the other side of the city is the downtown district where people are active and doing stuff. The people sitting in station have zero effect on the traffic downtown. Even the people sitting in a parking lot downtown (i.e. afk but in space on a loaded node) don't affect actual traffic in any meaningful way because they are not interacting with it. Every effort to fix traffic/lag has been about spreading load to parts with less traffic or better "roads." Likewise, TiDi was the equivalent of installing traffic lights where previously the default state was gridlock. Bulldozing your afk tree fort in the suburbs will not improve traffic downtown.

And that's why people think you have ulterior motives. Because either you understand the system and are full of crap, or you have the opposite of an understanding of the system and yet are still trying to give advice on how to "fix" it.

edit: because your description is so painful to read I feel like I have to correct it. You have it backwards. Multiple systems can be on 1 CPU, but each system can't use more than 1 CPU. No multi threading in this case. Node and CPU often get used interchangeably, so assume they are the same thing. You may be confusing "blade" with "node" but the existence of blades doesn't really matter in this context. The biggest reinforced nodes are Jita and the fleet fight one. They are reinforced because they get better hardware and a full CPU to themselves without sharing. Things like chat and trade and stuff that's not Dogma (the in-space simulation) get put on separate CPUs so they don't cause lag. What systems share which CPUs are decided at downtime and cannot be changed without turning off all the systems that share that CPU, so live migration is not done at all (even though your understanding of it would be the opposite of how it would be done if it were done at all). That's why it's important to notify CCP the day before a big fight so they can map the system to a reinforced node, because doing it live doesn't work. Setting aside Jita afk'ers (which have precisely zero effect on fleet fight lag) even in-space afkers don't add load to a fight. Usually someone afk in space will be off grid from everything interesting since that's the entire point of being afk in space. The only load they'd add is in updating local (almost no load and on a different CPU anyway) and position for d-scan (which only happens if they aren't cloaked and adds almost nothing to the big picture compared to the load of everyone on grid in the overview.) They aren't moving, they aren't running d-scan, they aren't adding anything to any dogma calculations. No additional lag. If kicking afk'ers would help lag, it would have been done years ago. Whatever your ulterior motives for kicking AFKers, you aren't going to convince anybody by pretending it'll help against lag. Try again. Maybe with more honesty.

there is and afk cloaker thread stickied post it there

Just say no to terrible ideas like this.
Why, well for one I have cyno characters that will sit logged in at safe spots in case they are needed for an emergency jump, it is common for those characters to sit somewhere for an hour or more. Emergency cyno ships are rather useless if you have to go through the hassle and the time needed to log them in first, then wait for the safe warp to bring them back to where they are supposed to be.

For day trippers to a worm hole what happens to the scout ship they have cloaked up and watching structures for signs of player activity, do they get booted simply because they are sitting there not moving for more than 20 minutes?

How about the players that will camp a gate in low or nul, they often sit without moving for long periods of time, do they get booted out of the game because of their play style?

You know folks since Jita has been mentioned here perhaps this is yet another anti-ganking idea.

This thread is not about AFK cloakers.

of course it is
maybe not your intention but it is

Cloaked or not, truly afk players are not playing the game.

You can have a car that is 1% faster, but we're taking away the stereo, ABS and one of the doors.


This is a better analogy, because there are actually downsides, as there would be to booting people offline constantly. They have been outlines in this thread repeatedly.


Your last thread was crying about ratting carriers being in danger from random wormhole gangs. If their exit cyno logs off every 30 minutes, they're going to be in even more danger, aren't they?

If it was ISD would have locked it for redundancy.

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