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[The Purity War - The Age of Blood
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AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
#101 - 2017-05-26 17:05:20 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Not what she's arguing, is it Old Man? I'll be first in line to smack her upside the head when she tries that particular line, but when she's saying they've grown stronger than before that defeat, she's actually right.


Unfortunately, ends do not always justify means.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#102 - 2017-05-26 17:09:36 UTC
Amarr is stronger since losing the Republic.

If I tried to spin the Rebellion as a 'great moment for Amarr', you would all (quite properly) think of me as a useless tit.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#103 - 2017-05-26 17:13:01 UTC
I do agree with you, just sayin' that she's still technically correct and you're not going to get a "Yeah, we got our **** pushed in" from any organization primarily founded on inflated egos, Grae.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#104 - 2017-05-26 17:14:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Graelyn
Well certainly, no organization in EVE has ever been defeated. I just checked the forums.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#105 - 2017-05-26 17:15:59 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Edit: Gosh, Arrendis. You're on slaver mind control drugs and won't even share!? So mean.


Like you haven't been bogarting the good stuff your corp hooks you up with. P

We should get Samira and have a total drugged out hedonism night. It'll be like old times! Only, with drugs. And hedonism. And nobody trying to kill themselves or one another. Or tas-oh, who am I kidding, you'll still get me with the taser.


Lieutenant Kernher is a good and decent God-fearing woman and pilot. I doubt she would be interested.
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
#106 - 2017-05-26 17:21:52 UTC
Graelyn wrote:
Amarr is stronger since losing the Republic.

If I tried to spin the Rebellion as a 'great moment for Amarr', you would all (quite properly) think of me as a useless tit.



Agreed. I have as much respect for the Amarr as I do for any of the factions. There's something to be said for happy slaves versus a struggling free populace. Nevetheless I believe in the Galllente mantra and ultimately I have to live somewhere and belong to some group. If Goons are justifying this as making them stronger, so be it. If they would rather toss the Blood Raiders aside than do business with them that is their own prerogative. As Arrendis said, the hive lives on (rougly quoted) and it will adapt, with or without the Blood Raiders. What happens going forward is yet to be seen. But again, the tipping point has been reached and weeding will be done. Whether Goon relations survive that weeding or not is yet to be seen.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#107 - 2017-05-26 17:25:34 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I do agree with you, just sayin' that she's still technically correct and you're not going to get a "Yeah, we got our **** pushed in" from any organization primarily founded on inflated egos, Grae.


Yeah?

Graelyn wrote:

"We didn't want Pator anyways."

Try a spin that isn't older than I am.


Hah. You will never hear, and have never heard, me say we didn't want that space. We wanted that space. We also weren't happy about losing that war. So... what? We should be all weepy and wailing and gnashing our teeth forever? We should be unable to coldly and rationally look at what happened and evaluate our current position relative to our previous position?

We're better off now than we were then. That's just the plain and simple truth.

Instead of 30,000 pilots spread across five regions, we've got that many in one. Instead of those pilots being spread through 9 different alliances, with all of the patchwork defensive complications that arise in Entosis work, 27,474 of them are in one alliance, with roughy another 6k in 4 others.

Our industrial output per month—even without accurate reporting of excavator-based Rorqual industrial activity, exceeds every other region in New Eden except for some parts of the Caldari State, and outstrips any other two regions in null-sec combined.

Despite losing all of that space, we didn't actually lose our supercapital assets. Typically, this is where the 'oh, didn't want that space anyway' accusations get the loudest. Of course we wanted that space. We wanted our supercapital fleet more. Do you want your ship? Does wanting your ship mean you can't want your head? If you have to pick one to keep, and one to lose forever though, you're going to pick the one that lets you get more of the other, right? I mean, you're not going to decide 'hah! I have my ship, I don't need my head!'

I mean, I don't think you are. You believe in God and other crazy things though, so who knows?

So, yeah, we got our asses kicked. Yeah, it sucked. No, wasn't exactly cause for 40 years of wandering in the Great Wildlands or whatever. If the MBC had charged south after us, things could've been really, really bad for us. But they didn't. They made a lot of noise about destroying us, and grandiose claims about how we'd never be allowed to put more than 200 people in space again, and then they failed to seal the deal.

By not wasting our assets in a war that, when the 'big' war started, we'd already been burning the candle at both ends over for eight months, we retained the ability to get back on our feet pretty quickly, and that's exactly what we did. I can't help it if you don't like it. It's still true.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#108 - 2017-05-26 17:34:36 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Instead of 30,000 pilots spread across five regions, we've got that many in one. Instead of those pilots being spread through 9 different alliances, with all of the patchwork defensive complications that arise in Entosis work, 27,474 of them are in one alliance, with roughy another 6k in 4 others.


P.S. - as a side note, that current total doesn't include Sister Bliss and the murder machine that is The Initiative, who add another 3,000 and have settled into Querious for a while before they go on another 'where do we want to burn people down today?' deployment.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#109 - 2017-05-26 18:36:43 UTC
For feck's sake, don't follow up an actual straightforwards post with an "We didn't want that space anyway" on Init's behalf.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#110 - 2017-05-26 20:21:43 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
For feck's sake, don't follow up an actual straightforwards post with an "We didn't want that space anyway" on Init's behalf.


I'm not. Init just got pushed out of Syndicate. But they only went into Syndicate to take it away from the former owner, who's now in MC. Init's been semi-nomadic for about three years now, Miz. They go someplace, settle for a while, then get bored and go someplace else. And considering it took you guys, NC, GotG, and Horde all together to push them out of Syndicate—once again without seriously degrading their combat capability—I don't really see them sitting on their butts too long. You should know by now that Bliss is never shy about bringing the fight.

You blew up some cits. Their combat assets are still perfectly safe. So, once again: my ship or my head?
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
#111 - 2017-05-26 20:38:29 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
For feck's sake, don't follow up an actual straightforwards post with an "We didn't want that space anyway" on Init's behalf.


I'm not. Init just got pushed out of Syndicate. But they only went into Syndicate to take it away from the former owner, who's now in MC. Init's been semi-nomadic for about three years now, Miz. They go someplace, settle for a while, then get bored and go someplace else. And considering it took you guys, NC, GotG, and Horde all together to push them out of Syndicate—once again without seriously degrading their combat capability—I don't really see them sitting on their butts too long. You should know by now that Bliss is never shy about bringing the fight.

You blew up some cits. Their combat assets are still perfectly safe. So, once again: my ship or my head?


You're forgetting one convenient option for us all. *your* head. Lest we forget.
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
#112 - 2017-05-26 20:45:21 UTC
Does anyone actually have any idea what a Blood Raider Sotiyo is actually worth? It's rhetorical. It's ridiculous amounts.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#113 - 2017-05-26 20:48:35 UTC
AEther Galatia wrote:
Does anyone actually have any idea what a Blood Raider Sotiyo is actually worth? It's rhetorical. It's ridiculous amounts.


The same as any other Sotiyo.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#114 - 2017-05-26 20:58:41 UTC
We can swap later then, yes? Shouldn't be a problem?

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#115 - 2017-05-26 21:02:40 UTC
Think there'd be a bit of contention over the contents of it. That's the valuable bit.

That said, so far the contents managed to move several kilometers before it went poof. I wonder how far the current ones will make it?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#116 - 2017-05-26 21:04:18 UTC
Graelyn wrote:
We can swap later then, yes? Shouldn't be a problem?


Swap what? Sotiyos? Sure. Next time I have an intact Blood Raider Sotiyo in my cargo bay, I'll bring it to Amarr, ok? Cuz right now, the ones out there aren't mine. They belong to the Blood Raiders.

S'why they're getting blown up.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#117 - 2017-05-26 21:05:06 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Think there'd be a bit of contention over the contents of it. That's the valuable bit.

That said, so far the contents managed to move several kilometers before it went poof. I wonder how far the current ones will make it?


Right now I've got '20km, 3 hulls' in the Directorate betting pool, actually.
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
#118 - 2017-05-26 21:10:40 UTC
Graelyn wrote:
We can swap later then, yes? Shouldn't be a problem?


What would you want to swap it for? A Sotiyo is a Sotiyo. However. Location, location, location. As they say.
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
#119 - 2017-05-28 13:22:49 UTC
Is there anything else to add to this conversation? It's rather interesting.
AEther Galatia
Celestial Eternity
#120 - 2017-05-28 13:41:55 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
The goons themselves are at this point far stronger than they were in the north, having shed their worthless "Imperium" and folded some of the useful bits of it into their own organization.


Where's Imperium at these days anyways? I mean, if they folded or whatever?