Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This would be a massive pain in the backside for anyone trying to co-ordinate fleets. (EG: 'align straight up'). While it's fine for realism purposes, it's a pain for actually playing.

What? I'm not sure about you; but my reality is 3 dimensional. I'm not a stick drawing on a piece of paper; I can climb mountains, jump off cliffs, ski down slopes, run, fall, and do many other 3 dimensional thingss.

Humans are not particularly effective at translating a 3D environment, or particularly a concept, to a 2 dimensional environment. That I think is true. It's also hard for many people to conceptualize 3 dimensional objects and environments, and describe it effectively to other people through words or language. You may get the general idea across, but if you asked them to draw a picture, you'd be looking at something completely different in most cases.

3D programs are one of the best mediums for turning a concept into something other people can see and appreciate. Many people use these effectively, and for the most part, it's much more effective than mechanical 2D drawings when showing someone the finished concept. They can see it and understand it, in the way they would be able to see and understand a new car design by looking at the prototype. If you showed them the blueprints on paper however, they wouldn't-in most cases-be able to make heads or tails of it.

Back to topic:

The only problem I see with 3 dimensional orientation in EVE, is what happens when you pilot up or down. It has always irritated me that your view cam just stops rotating, and makes it feel like you have exceeded the limits of the programming, which you have.

It's for this reason that I try to avoid any situation where I have to fly up or down, or view spaceflight in that way while playing. I know this can be changed, and it is not a strict requirement of 3D environments in games. It is actually really wierd.

Solar systems all have a central plane and natural up and down. Traveling along the orbital plane is always horizontal travel; where passing through it is vertical travel in one diection or another. There is nothing wrong with this. I don't think it specifically matters which is determined to be up or down; but usually, people on the Northern Hemisphere would consider the clockwise rotation of planets to indicate that direction. People in the southern hemishpere might feel differently, given their perpective is the opposite. Otherwise, it really doesn't matter.

Solar systems and Galaxies are present in all maner of orientations of course, and what is true for one locally, does not strictly need to be true for others. For the most part, I believe the central plane of a solar system is oriented towards the Galactic core. Depending on the height above or below that core, the orientation of one solar system in a galaxy, might be comparably different to others.

The only limitation, if it is such, of human beings; is that they must generally make an association with up and down. Given the nature of our universe, it is questionable whether that is a necessary or appropriate way of defining things. I do believe that people would become very confused if it wasn't done however.

Human mind maps everything in 2 dimensions and cannot handeled altered perception of the original mapping software hardwired into our genes. The fact the human mind fails at so many interpintations of the world (aka Optical Illusions) is proof of this. Any picture that appears to be 3d is part of this. Its not really three dimensional but because of all the queues and hints and suggestiosn the mind maps it out as such. If humans where truely mapping thier envrionment in the 3d, simple 2d illusions would cease to work. Unfouruatnely the only real way to evolve this is to not develop as a species in space or lack of gravity where orintation is disregarded for anything critical in development however some evolutionist argue that you would never get a very complex organizim beyond bacteria in that envrionment but meh.

I have to aggre with the camera having peg points being a downer but the question is what does the camera do once it passes this peg point? does it auto level back out to system telemetry or the ships telemetetry? Either way its annoying and a solution is needed.

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If they introduce roll they must introduce sectionlized damage and line of sight shooting and being able to disable parts of the ship whcih all be for cool factor but I dont see it being feasible at the moment for eve. Maybe in another 5 years.

Though I dont think they explained WH space telemetry the ones in systems are often tied into gate hence the local chat as well.

It appears some things were posted while I was typing my previous reply.


If you had the ability to tilt your camera further, this would of course not mean there would not be "above the gate" or "below the gate" anymore. Relatively to the gate you can still be above it, or below it, etc. The gate itself would still have a top and a bottom.

And, let me say this again, it should be possible to turn this off in the settings. The way your camera works has no influence on other players' game experience. Whether your ship appears upside down in warp or simply straight up will not make a difference either.




Why would it need to level out? The camera would just move the way it always does, except for being able to move over the top as well. You can infinitely spin your ship around around the z-axis, why not around the others too?


Rolling would have no influence on damage spread. Guns are positioned around the ship so that they can fire no matter where your target is. But I agree that it would take a lot more to implement, so that is definitely not what I am requesting.

A couple of things:

First, the human mind does NOT map everything to 2D. This is simply wrong. Humans are good at 3D. To see for yourself, just imagine a sphere or ball. Now imagine it has a dot on it, or a label of some kind. Now imagine that ball rotating or being kicked, etc. We are good at 3D

Second, 3Dizing eve would definitely add complexity, and aside from your being bothered by the current 2dness, how would improving the sense of 3D add any value to the gameplay of Eve. In other words, what would it improve to be more 3D, or more planar neutral?

OK, one more time. Imagine the shape of a car. Imagine the engine inside, or a chair, or the drivetrain, etc. Welcome to thinking in 3D.

The discussion about thinking in 2D or 3D, however interesting, is irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

In space there its no up or down, but in EVE there is, because of the way the camera is limited in its movement and because of the way ships are always aligned in the same direction. The changes I have proposed in the first post would, in my opinion, change this without making the game more complicated or breaking any game mechanics. For pilots who prefer the current camera, this could be an option in the settings.

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This would be cool, and I agree - everyone always pointing "up" the same way has always annoyed me too.