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this reads like a gigantic freaking nerf..

ccp fozzie-logic strikes again..

well atleast I have a deadline to enjoy the last of the great t3c era.


#BURNFOZZIE

be nice to the legion AND the tengu, please. Need mah lazers AND missiles.

If I was a gambling man, I would place a bets that T3 Cruisers / Subsystem Combination "adjustments" are going to be inversely proportional of kill board performance.

In other words, (possibly) "Rip and press F to pay respects" : "W-Space Gank" Proteus, "Rapier/ Huginn" Loki, Neut or Ham Legion.

On the up side the Arazu and Pilgrim may see more use, or more likely everyone and their dog will use a Stratios until that gets nerfed too.

P.S. Devblog with some new art and not many details, this is going to be interesting, as in "Hold my beer and watch this..."

The composition of the focus panel is a hugeconcern to me as an explorer. It means that what I need/want will be ignored, if not actively advocated against.

These guys in general will not want to see the clocking plus nullification retained as it makes the T3C harder for them to catch, this function for me is a vital part of flying a Tengu and I may as well switch to Stratios when I loose this. And that is saying something as the stratios really is juts a slower/more expensive Astero for me as an explorer,

He was quite clear about his opinion that nullification is an annoyance and irritation to his PVP buddies and somewhat reluctantly mentioned that it was an important function. What I expect is they will nerf it to the point it becomes risky with a 'reasonable' chance for gate gankers to catch a T3C which is nullified. The cloaky nullification of T3D has been a major source of tears from these groups.

Cloaking will move to the same group as tank which for me as an explorer is really not good as it means I will be forced to refit to run for instance superior sleeper caches as I will need the tanking subsystem in those sites, that will then mean I lose my ability to cloak if I need to.

The same goes for CAP/PG which will be in the same sub system group as sensors/electronics which as i read it wil lmean I can't have cap regen _and_ analyzer/scanning bonusses at the same time. Again, if this works out the way it was presented it will basically exclude T3C as an option to run high end/high risk sites.

From everything I have read and heard it is quite obvious that the parties more likely to benefit CCP in the bottom line (those who generate loses and thus requirement to spend) will gain the upperhand against those who actually find and bring to market the materials needed to build replacements (exploration) as doing so will also benefit the bottom line.


The proposed changes would IMO end the suitability of the T3C, especially the Tengu, as an exploration platform and make access to some sites a lot harder. But again.. it's all about those who kill ships and thus drive the market and in doing so the bottom line for CCP.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! PLEASE REMOVE THE SKILL LOSS!

Thing is, its risk vs reward, you get a high versatility high performance ship but you risk losing 4 days of training time if you die, i'm fine with it remaining and i don't touch injectors

Nothing to do with risk vs reward. SP loss was there because they were OP (high versatility is debatable), they won't be now from what we seen so far.

CCP already has release date, so there is raw data about the changes, maybe it's a good time to share it? Aside from focus group. 1,5 month for changes so huge ships potential seems very short.

That is exactly the point, this is why it's difficult to train, this is why it's so expensive, this is the very reason why their is skill loss.

Strategic means you should be able to do multiple things with the same ship, stay in hostile space for extended lengths of time. Be stealthy, slippery, sneaky, gather intel or do combat/scanning sites.

Increase the sig radius and an entire tactic is wiped out, that being slippery Petes, even though you hardly see them anymore I for one use this fit when doing combat sites in low sec space.

Remove the reach, nerf the hell out of the ability to tank, and you effectively ruin these ships for doing these difficult sites and then what, forced to use a BS? Or???

I hope, truly hope that CCP does not screw this up. It seems like every time they make changes like this they alter a ships ability to continue in it's primary role. When the Tengu was nerfed before, it became a ship that was not able to continue it's role in single PVP in the way it was able before. That is something all of us pilots who fly TC3 dealt with, some of us training other TC3s so that we could retain the use of these ships in PVP.

The ship serves a purpose, it performs well in that role, I cannot even begin to imagine what benefit TC3 pilots are going to have if just some of the proposed changes take place. CCP should not be taking functionality away, and so far as I am concerned with very few issues they are pretty well balanced, each racial type having it's place and purpose.

Gate campers, interdiction pilots somehow believe that they should have the ability to capture every ship that moves through the gate they are camping. Just yesterday while on a low/nul sec roam I was baited verbally by campers on a gate for my ability to warp off without issue. CCP needs to consider balancing when making any decision to change interdiction nullification. For every ability an offensive ship might have, there needs to be the ability to counter it. Otherwise, what would be the point in gating anywhere if you know that two jumps off high sec into nul, there is going to be a gate camp waiting to overwhelm you with multiple pilots laying in wait? And considering that the proposed changes seem to me like they will drastically increase the price of these ships, why would anyone wish to risk the isk?

It makes no sense to me at all, nerf the ship to almost useless for it's intended purpose, then increase the price so that even if you can afford it, you cannot use it for fear of the isk loss. And then prevent it from entering any High Sec combat sites (4/10s currently) so that even if you do train to use the ship you are guaranteed huge isk loss, thus creating and driving the need to spend even more so that you can continue to play.

CCP better listen, or give me the skill points back that I trained on all 4 TC3s. If not, I'm not sure I will continue to play considering that CCP has shown calloused disregard to those of us who have played for so long, enabling CCP and EVE Online to be what it is today. We the loyal veterans that spend so much time in this virtual world should also be considered.

Please CCP, carefully think about what it is you are doing. Don't make the ship fit in such a tiny little niche that you make it utterly broken. It should overlap as it does now several different ships specially considering the time it takes to train. It should be better than all other lower tier ships. It should be special, something to strive for. People who fly TC3s well should be able to take pride in this fact. THIS is what keeps us coming back, keeps us buying plex, allows EVE to grow. We are the ones who go out into hostile space and bring back what is needed for industry. It is we who slip through space with billions worth of mods fitted to our ship and in our cargo so that we can change when we get to where we are going. It is us who push the envelope, who do things others do not, who fly solo where only gangs of gankers roam. Do not forget how important we are to the story that is EVE. Do not forget that we have worked hard to specialize in this particular area, and have a love for the ships we fly. Do not forget that we are also just as important as raging battles, corporations and groups. Do not punish us for our desire to be solo pirates, or explorers, or PVEers/PVPers. Do not cripple these ships, don't screw this one up, this is far larger a change to a ship class than you might think. Make changes responsibly, consider more the people who pilot these ships rather than those who do not train them and complain about their abilities. If they were not lazy, they would train them themselves.

Do not change things to such a degree that we are left with only skillpoints trained in nerfed skills. If you do, then at the very least give us the opportunity to recover those skill points without loss, skill extractors are not good enough!

i hope the refit feature gets some love. its THE uniqueness in design they have.
--> more cargo
--> less time for mobile depot or not needed
--> rigs refittable
--> less powerful than T2 but highly adaptable.
==> kung fu

==> therefor killing a T3C will drop lots of refits.

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Maybe this can be achieved by modes like on T3D but with a higher transittime. and also not instantly (30seconds enough?)
Refit/depot mode: dont need mobile Depot.
Exploration/travel mode: bonus to warpspeed align and scannerprobe strength.
Normal/Combat mode: just the usual bonuses from subsystems.
OR
each subsystem gives a bonus to each mode. (but that would be a mess and too much for average Pilots's memory)

Greetings and HF
Ben