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INCURSIONS - NERF SUPPORTED BY CCP AND VEILED AS A USER-COMMITTED EVENT

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Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#161 - 2012-01-23 21:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Lord Zim wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
This is actually a very good answer by a goon. But there is one problem. ISK. Small entities cannot compete with large entities. Even if you by some miracle get a system or a bunch of system you still cannot afford to war on your enemy. Not when your enemy has ship replacemnt programs etc. They can always win by either share number, or super caps, or merc or isk. So many alliances have moved into 0.0 emire space to earn isk with the possibility of later obtaining space but instead 0.0 empire becomes the death of them cos they cant move and actually conquer space. The reasons mentioned above just keep showing its ogly face =(

Of course ISK wil rear its face at some point, that doesn't change the fact that what we're seeing, right now, is a ton of space not being used by anyone, but it's also not being attacked because everyone knows it'll take a LONG time to actually get anywhere, if just looking at the mass of EHP on structures. There's a reason Delve/Querious/etc was left in IT Alliance's hands for months after they essentially died.

If the act of actually losing SOV (and as a result, taking SOV) was easier, then today's large sprawling empires wouldn't be nearly as easy to defend, and as such they would end up contracting on their own.

ISK does make it easier to defend space because you have ship replacement programs etc, yes, but there comes a point where you end up having too much to defend. ISK can only carry you so far before you burn out.


I want to see this unused space....cos i really dont see it. Or are you talking about the area of space thats like the edge system? If you are talking about the worthless areas then you know why nobody wants them.
All of this could have been solved if they didnt nerf the anomolies. Now look at us. Half of eve is gone and the other half does not want to do anythign with 0.0. This is as much fault with all those people that screamed for nerfing the anomolies and did not listen that people were going to leave 0.0 in masses. Yes isk can only carry you some way but you cant without it make war. You are just cutting the legs under from the new alliance both medium and small. Effectivelly you are nerfing us back to 2005.

You do know whats gonna happen now right? People are still not gonna go to 0.0! Too many disadvantages and literally no advantages to small or even medium sized alliances cos they simply cannot hold it. Not that they want to invest into something either where they will lose billion in what could be another stupid ccp nerf like it happened in the past.

I would not be surprised if more people leave now. If CCP has had such a hard time geting people in then geting rid of a few players is not gonna make this game any good. People again in 00 are gonna scream we got noone to shoot. I guarantee you people are not gonna go back to 0.0 cos there is no insentive whats so ever.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2012-01-23 21:06:34 UTC
What's this "You are" business?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Camios
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2012-01-23 21:07:22 UTC
Nerf highsec.

It is the best place to make money for a lone player. It should not be like that, period.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#164 - 2012-01-23 21:33:00 UTC
/me facepalms


How exactly is CCP supporting them?

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#165 - 2012-01-23 22:32:32 UTC
incursions dont need nerfed they need balanced so they cant be grinded forever, there should be a reward for ending an incursion quickly, or make the site bountys degrade over time. then ccp can focus on breathing life back into 0.0 by making sov worth taking.
Caldari Acolyte
Shark Enterprises
#166 - 2012-01-23 23:35:02 UTC
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:
incursions dont need nerfed they need balanced so they cant be grinded forever, there should be a reward for ending an incursion quickly, or make the site bountys degrade over time. then ccp can focus on breathing life back into 0.0 by making sov worth taking.


"ccp can focus on breathing life back into 0.0 by making sov worth taking" lol, good one! you know thats never gonna happen. dream on.
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#167 - 2012-01-23 23:58:37 UTC
*sparkel eyed* and then they can give me a puppy in my captains quarters...

but seriously, based off the csm minets they are thinking of ways to do it, but likely they will just fudge it up.
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2012-01-24 00:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: xxanjoahir
TLDR;

Null sec tears becuase they can't make that much isk/hour in null which is BS
High sec tears saying leave my game play alone for my gaming style they do the job
Darrius 3 wanting revenge for having his little pos nerfed in drone region....
oh and Lord zim being a typical goon thinking the game is all about null sec.

missed anything?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#169 - 2012-01-24 01:38:50 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
TLDR;

Null sec tears becuase they can't make that much isk/hour in null which is BS
High sec tears saying leave my game play alone for my gaming style they do the job
Darrius 3 wanting revenge for having his little pos nerfed in drone region....
oh and Lord zim being a typical goon thinking the game is all about null sec.

missed anything?

I hope your lasers are better aimed than your perception...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#170 - 2012-01-24 02:10:03 UTC
The shocking thing i discovered about Incursions, it's just like..........

"359 arms warrior LFBWD-25 pst"

Eliminate Incursions please. Blink
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-01-24 02:38:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
Juliana Stinger wrote:
"621 billion ISK is paid out by CONCORD every week from Incursions" impressive amount of isk they are making.


One of us has issues with their browser. Mine has "Some questionable math by community leaders..." added before that number. Yours?

More to the point; anyone making money in incursions is not making money at the same time missioning. So, the true net effect is not the gross isk payout from hisec incursions, the new isk entering the system is the differential between what the average payout is in them and the isk payouts from running L4s during the same period.

It's not as if the incursibears sprung from nowhere, they were mission runners who are no longer running missions, meaning that isk is no longer coming into the system. How fast could those shinyfits churn 4s?

Is there more? Obviously. Is there 100m/h/player more? Hardly, there is 100m/h/player minus what would have been made by the same player running 4s.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
#172 - 2012-01-24 09:17:49 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
TLDR;

Null sec tears becuase they can't make that much isk/hour in null which is BS
High sec tears saying leave my game play alone for my gaming style they do the job
Darrius 3 wanting revenge for having his little pos nerfed in drone region....


missed anything?


You didnt miss anything, you missed everything.

Hmmm
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#173 - 2012-01-24 10:20:00 UTC
Darius III wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
TLDR;

Null sec tears becuase they can't make that much isk/hour in null which is BS
High sec tears saying leave my game play alone for my gaming style they do the job
Darrius 3 wanting revenge for having his little pos nerfed in drone region....


missed anything?


You didnt miss anything, you missed everything I wanted you to believe.


Fixed

By the way since you are intent on killing incursions with your hit squads killing the mom asap isn't that an interesting form of pvp....

Have you ever thought that what you are doing is really good for the game not your tears and stamping of your feet and desire to get your own way like a 3 year old but becuase you have issue's with the percieved "in-balance" and decided to develop a type of game play to disrupt the well oiled teams (remember just becuase people work well together doesn't mean its inbalanced sometimes all thats needed is a bit of variety and flexibility to surprise). That to me is another form of PVP and a route for the game that makes it interesting.

Now do something useful since you don't want people to be able to make ISK, do it against the moon holders who have it just as easy with their JF's, JB routes, Cyno gens, intel channels... Go ahead and do your best to make me believe that apparently that isn't "in-balanced".
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2012-01-24 10:24:03 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
Now do something useful since you don't want people to be able to make ISK, do it against the moon holders who have it just as easy with their JF's, JB routes, Cyno gens, intel channels... Go ahead and do your best to make me believe that apparently that isn't "in-balanced".

"Why don't you go pick on them instead? We're just a small snack, they're a much bigger snack!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAu_Ykvju5A

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2012-01-24 10:33:36 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Now do something useful since you don't want people to be able to make ISK, do it against the moon holders who have it just as easy with their JF's, JB routes, Cyno gens, intel channels... Go ahead and do your best to make me believe that apparently that isn't "in-balanced".

"Why don't you go pick on them instead? We're just a small snack, they're a much bigger snack!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAu_Ykvju5A


LOL great response. All you do is mock people who bring valid points to the argument you've done it with every reply whether it is to me or to other people.

Its called framing - you are framing incursions as the "end of the game", when what is really on everyones mind is the end of the game will be the influence of people like you and the null sec entities.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2012-01-24 10:39:53 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Now do something useful since you don't want people to be able to make ISK, do it against the moon holders who have it just as easy with their JF's, JB routes, Cyno gens, intel channels... Go ahead and do your best to make me believe that apparently that isn't "in-balanced".

"Why don't you go pick on them instead? We're just a small snack, they're a much bigger snack!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAu_Ykvju5A


LOL great response. All you do is mock people who bring valid points to the argument you've done it with every reply whether it is to me or to other people.

Its called framing - you are framing incursions as the "end of the game", when what is really on everyones mind is the end of the game will be the influence of people like you and the null sec entities.

There's a reason I'm mocking people like you. You're being whiny about someone ruining the game because they're playing the incursions in a way which is perfectly legal, by killing off the mothership when it appears. Nowhere does it say "the mothership must not be touched until the absolute last moment" in the rules.

Harden the **** up, wardec them and make them stop, instead of being a whiny little goat going "please grief them instead, they're much fatter than me!".

Jeez.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2012-01-24 10:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: xxanjoahir
Lord Zim wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Now do something useful since you don't want people to be able to make ISK, do it against the moon holders who have it just as easy with their JF's, JB routes, Cyno gens, intel channels... Go ahead and do your best to make me believe that apparently that isn't "in-balanced".

"Why don't you go pick on them instead? We're just a small snack, they're a much bigger snack!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAu_Ykvju5A


LOL great response. All you do is mock people who bring valid points to the argument you've done it with every reply whether it is to me or to other people.

Its called framing - you are framing incursions as the "end of the game", when what is really on everyones mind is the end of the game will be the influence of people like you and the null sec entities.

There's a reason I'm mocking people like you. You're being whiny about someone ruining the game because they're playing the incursions in a way which is perfectly legal, by killing off the mothership when it appears. Nowhere does it say "the mothership must not be touched until the absolute last moment" in the rules.

Harden the **** up, wardec them and make them stop, instead of being a whiny little goat going "please grief them instead, they're much fatter than me!".

Jeez.



******* hell you dumb **** read the ******* post you ********. I say that its a form of pvp that is fine and good for the game you tit.

Quote:
Have you ever thought that what you are doing is really good for the game not your tears and stamping of your feet and desire to get your own way like a 3 year old but becuase you have issue's with the percieved "in-balance" and decided to develop a type of game play to disrupt the well oiled teams (remember just becuase people work well together doesn't mean its inbalanced sometimes all thats needed is a bit of variety and flexibility to surprise). That to me is another form of PVP and a route for the game that makes it interesting.


So yes by all means disrupt the isk making via incursions by killing the moms quickly...

I wish it was just as easy for people to disrupt the 80% of isk making that is done through moon mining as easily.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2012-01-24 10:48:48 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
******* hell you dumb **** read the ******* post you ********. I say that its a form of pvp that is fine and good for the game you tit.

"It's perfectly fine, but please, please, go grief the nullbears instead. :( :( :("

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2012-01-24 10:53:07 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
******* hell you dumb **** read the ******* post you ********. I say that its a form of pvp that is fine and good for the game you tit.

"It's perfectly fine, but please, please, go grief the nullbears instead. :( :( :("


Oh deary me

Goonie being embarrassed in grown up conversation has no reply.
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2012-01-24 10:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: xxanjoahir
xxanjoahir wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
******* hell you dumb **** read the ******* post you ********. I say that its a form of pvp that is fine and good for the game you tit.

"It's perfectly fine, but please, please, go grief the nullbears instead. :( :( :("





Oh deary me
Goonie being embarrassed in grown up conversation has no reply.
Just so you can read what I wrote very clearly

Quote:
Have you ever thought that what you are doing is really good for the game not your tears and stamping of your feet and desire to get your own way like a 3 year old but becuase you have issue's with the percieved "in-balance" and decided to develop a type of game play to disrupt the well oiled teams (remember just becuase people work well together doesn't mean its inbalanced sometimes all thats needed is a bit of variety and flexibility to surprise). That to me is another form of PVP and a route for the game that makes it interesting.