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Cyno Field Generator only usuable on Cov Ops Frigs
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Yulinki Atavuli
Spaghetti Militia
#1 - 2012-01-22 02:30:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Yulinki Atavuli
Basically this practice of being able to fit them on everything makes 1v1 fights and small gang fights difficult. Because everyone and their mother has a carrier/dread fleet waiting for some action.

Positives: adds more 1v1 fights and small gang fights. which is turns adds more destruction

Negatives: now all your cyno alts are going to have to use more expensive ships and train more.

so, i propose to fix that reduce the time of immobilization of the cyno ship to 3 minutes. still enough time to blow it up if you were sitting there already or if you act fast. for the cyno guy if your smart and use intel you can make sure your ship doesn't die.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-01-22 03:16:18 UTC
supported
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-01-22 04:24:03 UTC
Only covops frigates, or are you including anything that can fit a covops cloak? (IE recons, blockade runners and T3s)
Yulinki Atavuli
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2012-01-22 04:30:04 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Only covops frigates, or are you including anything that can fit a covops cloak? (IE recons, blockade runners and T3s)


my original intention was for only cov ops frigates (i.e. Cheetah) but, after thinking about it. i think all types of frigates that can fit a covert ops cloak would be fine. (don't want to raise the prices too much)

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-01-22 14:00:02 UTC
Yulinki Atavuli wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Only covops frigates, or are you including anything that can fit a covops cloak? (IE recons, blockade runners and T3s)


my original intention was for only cov ops frigates (i.e. Cheetah) but, after thinking about it. i think all types of frigates that can fit a covert ops cloak would be fine. (don't want to raise the prices too much)



Alright, now explain why. Why can, say, a force recon with these bonuses:

Quote:

Role Bonus:

80% reduction in liquid ozone consumption for cynosural field generation
50% reduction in cynosural field duration.

Note: can fit covert cynosural field generators


now not fill it's intended role? Why make it harder to move capitals and stuff around? Is nerfing logistics really going to help anything? This wouldn't add more 1v1 fights, as people would just bring their friends with them, or wait one jump out and use a bait ship, or something like that.

Is making people spend a month per cyno alt rather than a week really going to help anything? Or forcing people to keep cloaked cyno alts in systems where fights are likely (Rather than fitting a cyno to something like a drake) going to be much more than an annoyance?

I'm sure your intentions are good, but honestly? what's the point.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#6 - 2012-01-22 14:20:25 UTC
I have to say no, it's way too restrictive.

My idea was to give a time penalty to the cyno of 1 minute. Only recon ships get a bonus to reduce this time.
This could be 20% per level to end at zero delay, or 10 seconds per level to end at 10 seconds delay.

So any ship can still fit a cyno, but it becomes far more situational and tactical.
Covert cynos could remain the same.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#7 - 2012-01-23 09:51:49 UTC
so you say everytime I have to cyno my carrier or JF in from zero to a camped lowsec (the only available) I should burn a covert??

Not supported.

Currently I'm using noob ships for that.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#8 - 2012-01-23 10:41:09 UTC
Actually I wouldn't care if you did that so long as Force Recons get good new role bonuses like Probe Scan Strength and Interdiction Nulifier that some T3s have.
Syndic Thrass
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-01-23 10:46:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Syndic Thrass
What would that even accomplish? go 1v1, bring cheetah, when 1v1 starts decloak cheetah (CHEETAHS ARE COV OPS. COV OPS CAN CLOAK) cyno up and jump your fleet... Maybe they should introduce some sort of Cyno jamming module that you can anchor on a pos or something.

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#10 - 2012-01-23 13:38:40 UTC
Screw this. Remove cynos! Allow caps to jump without em!

Space poor hobos can suck it.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Mary Annabelle
Moonlit Bonsai
#11 - 2012-01-23 15:16:49 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I have to say no, it's way too restrictive.

My idea was to give a time penalty to the cyno of 1 minute. Only recon ships get a bonus to reduce this time.
This could be 20% per level to end at zero delay, or 10 seconds per level to end at 10 seconds delay.

So any ship can still fit a cyno, but it becomes far more situational and tactical.
Covert cynos could remain the same.


This.

Recons have all these pretty bonuses to cyno use, but they are prohibitively expensive because any t1 frig can be used as a disposable cyno.

A ship is broken if it's intended use is better served by a T1 frigate.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#12 - 2012-01-23 16:46:44 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Screw this. Remove cynos! Allow caps to jump without em!

Space poor hobos can suck it.


jump where?

I wonder if you managed receiving 1200 likes with posts like this.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-23 18:03:00 UTC
Better (by better I mean less horrible) idea, allow everything to light a cyno, but non-covops ships have an activation delay of one minute. This means the cyno is visible on the overview system-wide, ship is stuck, but nothing can jump to the cyno for a minute. Covopses and recons would have no such delay.

So you can still use kestrels for logistics and movement, but if you want to hotdrop you have to pay.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#14 - 2012-01-23 18:47:50 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Screw this. Remove cynos! Allow caps to jump without em!

Space poor hobos can suck it.


jump where?

I wonder if you managed receiving 1200 likes with posts like this.


To whatever celestial is in range.

And obviously.

I wonder if you'll ever break 200 likes with posts like yours.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2012-01-23 19:06:01 UTC
ITT op got baited and bi*tched and is now crying about it
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#16 - 2012-01-23 20:12:25 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Screw this. Remove cynos! Allow caps to jump without em!

Space poor hobos can suck it.


jump where?

I wonder if you managed receiving 1200 likes with posts like this.


To whatever celestial is in range.

And obviously.

I wonder if you'll ever break 200 likes with posts like yours.


celestial?? This is the worst cyno idea I've ever heard of.
I want being able to drop on top of your ship this should be possible!