Crime & Punishment

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This is possibly the worst post I've ever seen in 11 years of playing Eve Online.

An ISD acknowledging that Eve Online encourages "psychopathic behaviour"

calm down ganker

This game was always designed to be a game about spaceships with guns on them, and its important that the game occasionally punish people that play oblivious to that, so that some advantages accrue to those that are not oblivious. I expect that CCP would be perfectly ok if economic rationale wasn't required for ganking, but they are trying to present an rationalization for people who can't see they are playing as a victim.

Also I struggle to see how the individual player ignoring everyone around them farming the newbie resources to death isn't actually the psychopathic one, and how the large group of people playing together is.



Part of CODEs rhetoric is that experienced miners should really mine in null, ie its a bit more than merely fit your ship and pay attention, its really about becoming good enough to be able to make the step to play the game in null.

The fundamental purpose of the procurer is to survive until the response fleet arrives. In highsec thats concord (boring), but in nullsec, its friendlies ie : https://zkillboard.com/kill/62218865/

If there is several miners in the system, as long as you personally are quick to get out of the anom, then you can be reshipped and ready to be the response fleet yourself too, ie being a miner doesn't condemn you to being the bait proc.

Post with your main or GTFO.

Just for the sake of clarification, what will you do if he doesn't?

I ask because it's good for lowly, regular internet-users like myself to keep abreast of the phenomenal cosmic power employed by digi-gods like yourself, which naturally lead to catastrophic, life-ruining consequences for not posting with ones main.

So please elucidate for us. If he, or indeed anyone, chooses to not post on their main, what powers will you employ as punishment?

Disclosure: This is my main.

I replied to Valone who is a starter corp alt (of a character who claims to have played for 11 years) probably created to provide anonymity.

And to the clockwork gentleman: for those visitors who clearly post on alts, I ignore them as do many of us. We cannot punish them any other way, so we simply deprive them of content.

It is a standard on this board to post with a main. Meet it or don't. I like to tell Alts I haven't seen before so they know.

Also, it's something of a slogan here.
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It's pretty predictable, really. If they're equipped to take down a procurer, they're equipped to take down an ECM fit procurer.

I've run the maths on this and it's actually much worse than I had thought.

For a catalyst-toting ganker, a best-case scenario would be roughly 700 dps within a 24 second window, granting about 16,800 damage.

Alessienne's T2 ECM fit, with perfect skills, boasts <40kEHP versus the kin/therm damage profile of a standard gankalyst. That fit, versus a catalyst with zero boosts from skills or modules, has a 30% chance to land a successful jam per module, which means an average of 1.2 jams per gank. The odds of all four ECM modules each jamming out a ganker at the same time is less than 1%.

So, worst case scenario: an ECM fit will die to as few as 3 (highly skilled) catalysts. Best, 7 gankers would be needed.

What about a standard shield fit? A totally AFK shield-fit procurer sports over 100kEHP against the kin/therm damage profile while completely AFK. That fit guarantees the need for at least 6, preferably 7 gankers. If you're ATK and get in an overheat as the gank fleet warps in, that tank rockets to 121kEHP, requiring 8 gankers.

So, there ya have it. Worst case scenario: An AFK shield procurer requires 6, preferably 7 gankers versus an AFK/unlucky ECM procurer that requires only 3. Best case scenario: ATK shield procurer requires 8 gankers, guaranteed to survive if they bring 7, versus ECM/lucky procurer against 7 gankers with only a 1% chance of survival if they bring 6.

That's right, an AFK procurer in a worst case scenario is stronger than a lucky ATK ECM procurer. Who knew? Oh wait, I did - as did just about any other competent pilot.

In higher security space, including CONCORD standard spawn (-6 second response delay), the scenarios only favour the procurer even more.

Like I said, the only time you can excuse the ECM fit is while mining outside hisec and to be fair, there are better ways to deal with hostiles in those environments.

Oh, and the shield procurer is much easier to fit, requiring no coprocessors and gets to benefit from a slightly higher mining yield, too.

Heh, I missed that little detail.

That would explain why he thinks multispectral ECM will do squat on an unbonused ship.

Muh ECM drones?

I looked at those numbers and weirdly enough, a gank attempt is probably one of the few situations where a flight of ECM drones would be better than hobs. You'd have up to 50% chance of removing one catalyst from the gank with ECM drones but a flight of hobs, even bonused ones wouldn't down a catalyst before it was too late, anyway.