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Zed Hirl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-01-23 19:36:21 UTC
I got destroyed trying to run through a gatecamp last night. I am not complaining. To be honest, I was sure the gate was camped before I jumped. I was interested in seeing if I could get through. What surprised me was the speed at which I was locked. It seemed as thought I was locked within a second of my pressing the warp to button. I have seen videos of the MWD+cloak trick and wondered if this would even have worked in my case. Is it impossible to warp away from a gatecamp (even with the MWD+cloak trick) if the campers are well organized and skilled? Could a covert ops frigate been able to make it through? ( i'm assuming that there would be slight delay between when the ship first moves until the cloak comes on).

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Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#2 - 2012-01-23 19:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Marduk Nibiru
Zed Hirl wrote:
I got destroyed trying to run through a gatecamp last night. I am not complaining. To be honest, I was sure the gate was camped before I jumped. I was interested in seeing if I could get through. What surprised me was the speed at which I was locked. It seemed as thought I was locked within a second of my pressing the warp to button. I have seen videos of the MWD+cloak trick and wondered if this would even have worked in my case. Is it impossible to warp away from a gatecamp (even with the MWD+cloak trick) if the campers are well organized and skilled? Could a covert ops frigate been able to make it through? ( i'm assuming that there would be slight delay between when the ship first moves until the cloak comes on).

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15079269



There's a lag between when you push the warp button and stuff actually happens. In the meantime I believe your ship is indeed visible and targetable. Takes approx. two seconds before pushing the cloak button doesn't result in the, "Inteference from your existing cloak..." message. Unfortunately, you can't just spam it like you can to avoid the ship explosion lag counterpart, but if you count 1..2... and cloak you can generally cloak up before even the most instalock pilot can get a lock. Then you just have to avoid the good interceptors. It's still pretty tough.

If they don't have a bubble, you pretty much can't be caught though. In fact, fit with nano and such you can often get out before a lock without having to cloak...not that you should chance it.

That same crew got me one day and I also was amazed at how fast I was locked...my pod even: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14908656

The ships they're flying though don't leave you any room for even the minorest of mistake or you're dead.
Zed Hirl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-01-23 19:59:33 UTC
Thanks for the info. I think i'll level up cloaking so I can try the MWD+cloak trick. I thought I might be able to get through with my frigates own speed alone.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#4 - 2012-01-23 21:21:08 UTC
Most frigates can run gate camps but some very organized setups do allow for catching them. The MWD+cloak trick almost always works on ships agile enough to use it, but you are somewhat at the mercy of lag. As for how they locked you so fast in this case, they did it through remote sebo's I'm pretty sure. With 4x remote sebo's applied to a legion, you end up with around 3400 scan res. That's high enough to lock any ship in the game in only a single second. You cannot lock faster than 1s because eve runs on 1s ticks.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#5 - 2012-01-25 23:22:24 UTC
there is certain setups for interceptor that can lock even shuttles on gate, but problem is that modules do not activate at same moment so basically you can escape with shuttle, at least with max agility skills.

So if you want to use mwd cloak trick you have to ensure that cloak goes on as fast as possible, there is always chance to fail that on time because server behavior is not stable.

Also i recommend that you test mwd+cloak warps on safe place 1st.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-01-26 02:01:20 UTC
Bring lots of friends, kill the campers, go merrily on your way. No need for MWD+cloak trick at all. See? That was simple. Twisted
Party Lips
Calamitous-Intent
#7 - 2012-01-26 06:05:20 UTC
mwd+ cloak trick. pretty sure ccp considers that an exploit. i could be wrong. but a domi should not be able to insta warp after going through a gate.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-01-26 07:00:27 UTC
MWD+Cloak trick is not an exploit. There are many threads calling it an exploit but it is not.

Bad troll, bad bad troll, back under the bridge with you!

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-
Party Lips
Calamitous-Intent
#9 - 2012-01-26 14:49:17 UTC
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
MWD+Cloak trick is not an exploit. There are many threads calling it an exploit but it is not.

Bad troll, bad bad troll, back under the bridge with you!


no love for pirates i guess ;P
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-01-26 14:55:20 UTC
well since a patch before crucible, theres now a half second to a second delay before a module works regardless of how much scan res you have. I dont know what they did but the real insta lock is mostly dead.

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