Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Take the sexy sexy ABC hulls (and the tornado) give them tech two resists and a base tank somewhere between HaC and HiC, some fairly standard bonuses per level of racial battle-cruiser and a single subsystem slot. We'll call this subsystem ' -racial-specialisation subsystem' for now and have them come in different varieties and let you fit specific oversized modules.

Say a Caldari propulsion specialisation subsystem that gives 75% reduction in power-grid and capacitor use +15% reduction in mass penalty per *t2/3 battle-cruiser skill*/level for 100MN afterburners and some HaM/HML bonuses (the Gallante one might give a 500MN MWD bonus + drone stats). Ewar specialisation modules that let you fit target breakers, grapplers, heavy scrams or disruptors. Tank specialisation modules that give bonuses to large shield extenders/1600 plates or let you fit large armour reps/ double large boosters. And of course, a BFG specialisation.


Not sure if this idea would be closer classified to tech two or three although as there's a certain level of versatility involved we'll say tech three to avoid semantics.

The idea being to play on the role of ABCs fitting oversized guns without necessarily limiting them to glass cannon roles. A general idea would be that the specialisation subsystems let the ships fill a particular niche extremely effectively.

The oversized prop-mod bonuses would give drone/HAM/HML bonuses to combine respectable beefiness with consistent (if somewhat mild) dps on ships that are incredibly nimble but would also give something for HaCs and frigates to really sink their teeth into.

The oversized EWar subs could be paired with a tank, sensor or tracking bonus as a tool to relieve pressure from fast tackle in a fleet environment or even to provide heavy tackle in brawls without negating the usefulness of HiCs.

The oversized tank subsystems could be tuned to make anti-headshot ships or with moderate medium gun bonuses as dedicated front-line dps ships (although we probably have enough of those already)

And of course the Big guns subsystem for those who love being primary at the start of every fleet engagement and think that t2 resists will improve their survival odds enough to warrant a t2/3 price-tag.

Happy to hear suggestions, be told how and why this may be game breaking/ too bad to use - not going to even bother with 'fix what's broken before adding new content' because that defeats the purpose of this forum ^.^.

Any particular reason for this? I mean with the exception of the big guns subsystem the ships /could/ be stuck with t-1 cruiser dps, without the prop subsystem they'd have battlecruiser mobility and sig radius and without the tank subsystem they'd only be somewhere between HaC and HiC in tankiness and it's a case of 'pick one'.

before i even get into the rest ill just show you how you failed at the start


so you want to take the ABCs and give them more tank than a HAC.... give them more tank.... you do understand the glass part is the only thing keeping these cannons balanced right?

Please read the rest of my post before shitting all over the idea due to the first sentence. Also use your head, if you're going to actually end up with a substantial killmail on losing a ship as easy to track and apply to as a goddamn battlecruiser it needs to tank okay. ABCs are glass because they're cheap after insurance not because they do loads of damage, the megathron for instance does as much damage as a talos and is literally five times as tanky but that's not an issue.

well no the talos actually does more damage than the mega. the talos is also faster than the mega and can track better than the mega. i did read the rest of your post and it is just as bad as the beginning. you provide a whole lot of pros and flexibility without a lot of cons. basically you want to create the T3c problem all over again. you have also failed to point out what niche in the game these would be filling that is not filled by other ships. remember "cool" is great and all but its not a reason to add a ship into the game

I mean, why not just gate camp in a vindi, mach, rattle, tempest or just about any other decent battleship which do just as much dps as ABCs with far more tank? the whole point of this isn't to make some souped up hyper cannon (you're thinking dreadnaughts) it was to create a line of ships to fill specific niches and follow a theme of oversized fittings.

because BBs have **** scan res. scan res is important for gate camping

and again what niches is it filling that are not already filled

There is no niche here to fill. If you want large guns and tank, get a battleship. If you want large guns on a cheaper, more mobile platform, get an ABC. Your idea basically obsoletes both battleships and ABCs because it's the best of both worlds with none of the drawbacks.

Okay that settles it, you didn't read my post - the idea is that you CHOOSE between big guns, big tackle, big engines or big tank. The idea of having /moderate/ tank by default is that there'll be a t2 pricetag on the damn ship and no one wants to pay 350mill for 5kEHP.

1 interceptors and command DDs fill this

2 HICs do this so do BBs and current BCs

3 we have loads of bricks in the game and the current ABC fill the oversized guns


so no you have not shown what niche they are filling. we don't need more ships to balance and maintain if they are not adding anything