Player Features and Ideas Discussion

EVE is an open classless system. As such, a player can take any ship and use it anyway he sees fit. Thus, number 1 is an instant fail as that ship will be immediately used for PvP. Second the idea of making this a RMT will clearly make the game pay to win. Everyone doing "PvE" will have to have one or always be at a permanent disadvantage.

As for number 2, so what? The carebear mentality will not go away with this. In fact, the carebear will likely fit the ship with even more bling and then cry all the louder when it is ganked. There is no patching out stupid.

3: There will be little to no risk here in that people will simply always make sure the ship is insured. Further, this goes counter to the core philosophy of the game. In EVE unlike many other games, when you "die" you lose something. Insurance is not complete (no insurance anywhere, in fact, is complete).

4: There is literally NOTHING stopping players from ganging up to help each other. What is stopping them is the carebear mentality. This is a pernicious and destructive mentality. It is a mentality that prevents the player from using strategies to avoid being ganked, getting help and even being more productive.

5: Special treatment is bad. That is what we see every day in PF&ID. Players wanting special treatment and getting it will simply lead to more and more of it. In economics we call it rent seeking and it is generally seen as a bad thing as more and more effort goes into rent seeking (taking other people's stuff) vs. being creative and productive. Do we really want more and more players lobbying for special this and special that with the game actually suffering? No.

PVE players can always fight back, either directly or indirectly. Directly is obvious, you get in a combat ship and shoot the other guy. Indirectly you "fight back" by avoiding those instances where you are facing a direct attack. Competition is not limited to just the direct variety. Adapting and being better at getting away means those hunting you will go after the slower types. PVE players can group up as well. There is nothing preventing this except themselves. When hauling with a freighter simply having a scout can make a huge difference. He jumps in, sees the bumper and says, "Don't jump in! Bumper! Get safe!" Ta da--you win! Your cargo is safe, your ship is safe, and all because of a guy in a noob ship. Having a group of guys on voice comms while mining will make it easier to spot a hostile such as a New Order member coming into system. 5 guys periodically checking local will be more effective than one guy. Being on voice comms makes communication faster and more effective.

Gankers and war dec corps have an entire organization backing them up. Guys moving ships and ammo around, guys fitting ships and putting them on contracts. Guys out scouting. Guys running any SRP program. Guys who will bump ships. And then you'll have an entire fleet to gank the ship. War dec corporations and alliances are similar as well. Of course the targets of gankers and war dec corps are going to lose. They are going to lose because they do not put in a similar amount of effort. They'll simply do something stupid like overload their freighter after anti-tanking it and jump blindly into a 0.5 system were a bumper is waiting. They deserve whatever they get in this game because they were so reckless. Nobody should be surprised in a competitive PVP sandbox MMO that when they are reckless somebody is there to take advantage of it. That is exactly how the game works. If you think this is wrong, you do not understand the game. At all.

And as for miners, it should not take very long to get into a procurer. A procurer is a very tough mining ship. The only thing tougher, in HS, is the skiff which is a bit more skill intensive. A group of players in procurers can have a ship with well over 70,000 EHP, and can do damage as well. 5 guys in procs are more than a match for 5 guys in catalysts. You already have the ship you are talking about for mining.

So a big fat "No." to this.

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And likely a dead game. The core philosophy of EVE is that nowhere are you completely safe. In HS you are safer but not completely safe. In fact, attempts to nerf certain types of HS PvP (either on purpose or inadvertently) also tend to coincide with a trend downwards in players logging in.



Go play on the test server. PvP is pretty much prohibited except by mutual agreement and in a few designated systems. Further, everything there is super cheap.

I also want to add that PvP and PvE do co-exist already. Many players who PvP also engage in things like missions, ratting, industry, etc. Most players have in game income sources. The entire idea here is based on this false dichotomy that PvP and PvE cannot co-exist. They do and this creates a much more interesting game.

This already exists, it is known as "PVP".