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The Ultimate Guide to Defeating CODE

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Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#41 - 2017-05-20 09:29:46 UTC
You are wrong in part and not up to date Jonah, surprisingly Dom will update you on the forums ( just ask him), if you don't get out pvp'ing much.

Ask Dom about his experiments with tornados. Something other gankers have used in Jita for years for their Alpha-Strike.
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#42 - 2017-05-20 09:44:05 UTC
Vipsan Agrippa wrote:
You are wrong in part and not up to date Jonah, surprisingly Dom will update you on the forums ( just ask him), if you don't get out pvp'ing much.

Ask Dom about his experiments with tornados. Something other gankers have used in Jita for years for their Alpha-Strike.
I'm well aware of Tornadoes, we're talking about destroyers here, not ABC's.

Keep up.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2017-05-20 10:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiasa Kite
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
They don't always use Catalysts. Thrashers are common too.

Hence "preferred" and not "mandatory". There's always flex in a fit to adapt to what you expect to encounter. However, as a miner, your expected encounter is a catalyst, because that ship can spew out the most raw damage.

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You know, it really grinds my gears when minmaxers yowl at me and accuse me of badfits because "blah blah ship strength pigeonhole pigeonhole pigeonhole".

Why deviate from what works? There's no getting round a buffer tank whereas ECM can fail. You can AFK when mining in a procurer with a strong tank, but you can't AFK while your survival depends on firing off ECM at the right moment.

Considering that a tank fit increases the number of people required to kill you by about the same amount it takes to overwhelm your ECM defence, there's no real benefit, but there are downsides.

Tank, for what you're attempting to address (survival in HiSec) is hands down superior.

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One of the players I supplied the procurer fits to came back to personally thank me after he used it repeatedly in lowsec to the point of making at least one ganker raqequit.

Were talking about survival in HiSec, not low. That said, you're right, having a way to disengage is a good survival trait when you don't have CONCORD around to do that for you. But with that said, Jonah is right, simply not being on grid when someone tries to jump you is the best way to survive in a non-combat ship. For that, fit is largely irrelevant..

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'Godlike shield tank' won't save a miner because CODE fits their destroyers for maximum alpha damage rather than DPS;

When it comes to miner ganking, the fit of choice is raw DPS. High alpha is a poor choice against a tank that can easily absorb that initial strike.

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Successfully jamming a ganker shuts down their targetting scanners AND KEEPS THEM FROM TACKLING, SCRAMMING OR SHOOTING. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

Which is great in a scenario where you have to disengage in order to survive. In HiSec however, where CODE. operates, and where CONCORD forces a disengage for you, your sole concern when it comes to survival is living long enough for CONCORD to arrive and save you. This is where a bug fat buffer tank comes in. A ship that costs ~30mil but sports ~100k EHP is a ship that will cost suicide gankers more to kill than the miner would lose - even if they were successful. All this while the miner is completely AFK.

Procurer: The risk-averse AFKer's wet dream.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#44 - 2017-05-20 10:51:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
'Godlike shield tank' won't save a miner because CODE fits their destroyers for maximum alpha damage rather than DPS; they know they will only get off maybe a dozen volleys at most before they are concorddokkened, so they sacrifice every other attribute to make those shots count.
And with this short sentence you have proved that you have precisely zero idea of what you're talking about.

I'd like to see the fit of the alpha damage destroyer that gets off a dozen volleys before Concord roll up Roll

CODE.'s destroyer fits are generally geared towards DPS, they mainly use blaster fit Catalysts because the ship bonuses and weapons choice offer the most bang for buck when compared to other destroyers due to the raw damage output and high rate of fire; this enables 10-12 shots to be fired before Concordokken occurs.

Destroyer fits geared towards alpha damage tend to be fitted with artillery and the like, each individual salvo punches out more damage than blasters, but the slower rate of fire means that they get off 3 or 4 shots before Concord turn up.

Know thy enemy before spouting shite about them.

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Successfully jamming a ganker shuts down their targetting scanners AND KEEPS THEM FROM TACKLING, SCRAMMING OR SHOOTING. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.
So does not being there when they appear.


Mr Miyagi: Best way to avoid punch. No be there
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#45 - 2017-05-20 13:17:55 UTC
I thought the best way to mine was with a Titan?

*cloaks out*

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2017-05-20 15:12:40 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
I thought the best way to mine was with a Titan?

*cloaks out*

Bear



Veldnaught best naught.
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#47 - 2017-05-20 15:25:00 UTC
Codie = peon.


Rational argument and logic is just wasted on a brainwashed peon.

No one should take them seriously.

Come shoot them with the AG's in Uedrama then laugh at them.



Codie tears best tears.
  • Fk Bob Praise Kek! -

They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Alliances will rise and fall, but one constant in Eve is the smouldering dumpster that is C & P.

(Bob's a cuck)
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#48 - 2017-05-20 16:49:49 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
making yourself a harder target than the next guy by using them generally means they'll shoot the next guy instead.


Precisely. You don't have to be able to outrun the wolves, just be able to outrun the guy next to you.

While you may still be illegal In highsec without a permit, at least you're
further along the path of de facto Code compliance.

Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.
Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#49 - 2017-05-20 19:57:40 UTC
**** code

kiss kiss bang bang
Lung Butter
Doomheim
#50 - 2017-05-20 20:02:31 UTC
Hazel TuckerTS wrote:
love code


Seconded!Big smile
Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2017-05-21 00:33:35 UTC
You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2017-05-21 03:18:56 UTC
Lung Butter wrote:
Hazel TuckerTS wrote:
love code


Seconded!Big smile




Maybe it was Join Code?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#53 - 2017-05-21 10:45:42 UTC
Clockwork Robot wrote:
You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention.

/me hands clockwork a tinfoil hat

Evil RatKid
Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#54 - 2017-05-21 11:24:06 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Clockwork Robot wrote:
You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention.

/me hands clockwork a tinfoil hat




Is that tinfoil?

Or... antimatter?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#55 - 2017-05-21 11:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Clockwork Robot wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Clockwork Robot wrote:
You were all doing so well too. It had been almost a whole month without anybody fake posting to create drama and attention.

/me hands clockwork a tinfoil hat




Is that tinfoil?

Or... antimatter?
More importantly is it an official Dinsdale branded tinfoil hat, that has been wrapped around a magnetic containment vessel containing antimatter?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#56 - 2017-05-21 12:03:46 UTC
Hiasa Kite wrote:

Why deviate from what works?


That is exactly the attitude that will eventually keep cargoes and ore safe in their respective holds, and make the Code of Halaima a lost cause.

Thanks so much for your help.


"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#57 - 2017-05-21 13:13:35 UTC
You do realize that CODE pops tanked Skiffs and Procurors when it suits them, yes?

*makes some popcorn*

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#58 - 2017-05-21 13:22:22 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
You do realize that CODE pops tanked Skiffs and Procurors when it suits them, yes?

*makes some popcorn*

Bear


Yes I do, and that's why I made different fits that are harder for them to pop.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#59 - 2017-05-21 13:30:07 UTC
You're not out here for the hunting, are you?

Shocked


*edges away slowly*

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2017-05-21 20:55:46 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
You do realize that CODE pops tanked Skiffs and Procurors when it suits them, yes?

*makes some popcorn*

Bear


Yes I do, and that's why I made different fits that are harder for them to pop.

But the fits you suggested aren't harder to pop, if anything, they're easier. That's literally the discussion we've just had.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein