Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Totally not P2W. Nope, no-siree.

further to add
the hired hunters or Merc fleet can also be NPCs

i.e the players can pay to create a battle fleet that they can call to their location when needed

of course, the bigger the fleet, the longer it takes to appear, thereby provide a opening for gankers

also, the hiring cost can be such that players have to balance the profit that remain after all these expenses

such fleet has a time limit duration based on the hiring cost

the best part is the " buff " part,

now, gankers dont know if the merc fleet is make up of real players, a mix of real and NPCs or even totally NPC fleet

but one thing is for sure

player can now create their own EPIC battle and not wait for some one to make a move, which take like forever

in the end, i do not have the patient or stamina to play such a slow game

hopefully, with the above mechanism,

epic battles will be happening all the time because everyone,
even a lone solo miner can field his own fleet, if he have enough ISK and give gankers a run for their money

please, please read carefully, did i say invincible?

no, of course not, what is the point of invincible, it breaks the immersion and it is too artificial

what we need to do is to provide a fighting chance for people who do not normally like ganking or PVP type activities to survive long enough to provide more entertainment for themselves and for others as well

all ships MUST be eventually be destroyed, the only limit is how much firepower needed and how long it takes to do it
of course, since these ships cost real hard cash, they can be redeem with in game insurances so therefore it sort of soften the blow but still costs

Seriously, what's wrong with the Procurer and Skiff? They're both immensely tanky ships that already accomplish the same thing you're trying to do here: Provide targets that are incredibly difficult to kill and can even put up a little more of a fight than your standard mining ships, thanks to their drone bonuses.

i am sorry, i think i do not understand P2W

how do a miner in EVE P2W when he is sitting inside a tough ship surrounded by his merc fleet trying to fight off a large ganker fleet that will eventually pound him to death, while concord is just watch to see that no rules of engagement is violated

he will lost everything finally but what a battle, the gankers are not going Scot free either
he lost his insurance "again" and all his minerals and have to rehire the merc "again"

game mechanics, still the same as now but up a lot of notches higher, more fun for all
and most important, now the sheep cannot complain and therefore they will return again

what is the point of ganking anfd grieving to the level where gamers leave
less sheep for you and less investment for EVE

I like the idea of PvE in EVE, but not in the way you are setting it up. Honestly, they could easily switch High Sec over into a PvE zone already. Other than Gankers like CODE, it already runs mostly as a PvE area with Low, Null, and WH being PvP.

Really, all they would need to do, is flip a switch and have it so Players can not damage other Players in High Sec. there you go, a whole PvE Zone.

But this would cause problems if that was all they did. It wouldn't balance some things. Namely, the Mining the most. Bots are already out there going to every High Sec system and mining up every single ore they can, and still never running out while they work 24/7. Without a system in place to stop them, there would be too much Ore and it would become worthless. But they can't just remove most of the belts from High Sec to make the Ore more rare and incentive to go to Low and Null where there is more, as BPs need so MUCH of the Common low level ores, that it wouldn't be able to support itself, and the High Sec ore would be costing much more than the Null and WH ore because there is so little and you need so much of it.

To balance this, I would say Items would need to come in 3 Tiers, instead of the normal 2. Ships and Equipment of T1 would only need ore and items found in High Sec. T2 would only need items and Ore from Low Sec, and T3 items and ships would need the stuff from Null. But at this point, you're changing the entire game structure and how everything from the Systems, the ores in a Belt, the BPs, Everything in the game works.

And that's just balancing the PvE and PvP Ores. Not including anything else such as 'PvE' Ships, and 'PvP' ships.

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Honestly, what I say they might be able to do as an idea, is make a smaller version of Eve that is PvE only. Much more compact so no Titan or Capital ships. No ships focused on PvP stuff, and no items for PvP either. Such as no warp disruption fields or Items that prevent ships from Warping, as the rats don't ever try to warp away. Criminal and Concord system would need to be reworked to as 'Susp' that steal loot from other players would now be the Criminals, unless they completely remove that ability too.

It would end up being a cut down version of Eve, but would probably be much cheaper to maintain and host, with less strain on the Systems as there wouldn't be any PvP Combat to Simulate, there would be a lot less WHs and Star Systems/Regions, and a lot less Items and ships as well.

But it would get people playing happily, and please those that like PvE and not PvP. Could even have this simpler PvE eve be Free to Play, while having the 'Main' Eve that we have running now back to P2P, keeping the 2 games seperate by Characters An 'Alpha' Character that can only access the the PvE world. And a 'Omega' character, that can access the PvP world.

With how much it would need to change tho, there would be no way to 'Cross' them. You could not move a character from 1 world to the other. Nor items, ships, money, or anything. Because of this a Single Omega and a Single Alpha Character can train skills at the exact same time. Treating them like 2 different accounts. Or they can actually have it as everyone allowed a Single 'PvE Eve' account, and not able to Multibox with other 'PvE Eve' accounts like Alphas are Restricted, but CAN have a 'PvE Eve' game open, with unlimited number of 'PvP Eve' games running, as each would need to be a Paying Account to access the PvP game.

Basically, think of it like a PvE Demo version of Eve that is Free and PvE, but more smaller in scale. And a big full version you have to pay for that has much more content and is PvP focused.

But in order to keep it balanced, you'd have to remove all the monetary rewards. For example, you could mine, but you'd only get say "stone" which has no value and in fact, can't be sold on the market or via contract. Similar impacts would be needed for missions, exploration, etc.

That way, the new PvE zone wouldn't be mercilessly exploited.

If you had read on, I pointed out a fix for that. Namely that the 3 'Zones' High, Low, and Null, would be Seperated. The low level tier stuff you would find in High Sec, like Ventures, or basic T1 ships, would require ONLY ore and items crafted and found in High Sec. While T3 items and ships, like Titans, and warp disruption fields items would only be crafted with Ore and Items crafted from Null Sec only.

Ore, and minerals found in those ore, would no longer be used across all BPs. BPs of T1, would need Minerals found ONLY in Ore from High Sec. While T3 BPs would need Minerals found ONLY in Null Sec.

So if you only wanted to PvE, you wouldn't need T2 or T3 stuff, and wouldn't need to leave High Sec. But if you wanted better items or ships, you'd need to venture out into Low and Null secs to get the items needed to craft those items.

Could limit it even more by having T1 ships flyable in all sections, but T2 and T3 can't enter High Sec, and T3 can't enter High or Low Sec.

Basically ways to 'Isolate' stuff away from High Sec, or have it where the other stuff in the PvP zones aren't needed in High Sec or not worth getting and keeping in High Sec. Putting limits on Missions in High Sec where you couldn't use T2 ships or something like that.

So, essentially, taking a single shard game, with it's major selling point being that everything happens in the same universe and anyone can affect anything, and splitting it into three servers (apparently while also putting wormhole space in the bin?)


Or is it only a complete and total rebalance of every single blueprint and item in the entire game?

Ok first of all learn how the game works please, Titans and Capitals can, in fact, enter Lowsec.

Secondly, there is a HUGE difference between "this module does not work in this area of space" and "There is now absolutely 0 risk for anything in this space ever because damage is disabled against players".

Also, are you suggesting that markets be removed from the game altogether? Because as it is right now, the materials for T2 ships can only be found in low/null, and T3 components can only be found in wormholes. Hisec already only has the basic T1 Ores and nothing else. So if you don't want the people in hisec to be able to use T2 and T3 items, you're either going to have to disable the ability for them to be bought and sold in hisec, or you'll have to restrict Hisec gate and wormhole access for T2-3 ships. Both of these ideas are absolutely ******** for multiple reasons which should be obvious.

Oh, and the prices and value of items are determined by players and the demand of the market. CCP can't just make "the prices of everything not T1 skyrocket" as you put it, that's not how it works.


One last thing, I highly suggest you go read the official CCP New Player FAQ, located here. This should help you understand CCP's stance on the issue.