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Vexor Nerf
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Xzanos
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#1 - 2017-05-19 16:55:57 UTC
I think that the 10% damage and HP bonus for drones on the Vexor needs to be reduced to 5%. The vexor would still easily be the king of cruisers while at least dropping its DPS into a more comparable place to the other cruisers.
Currently this ship is very overpowered.

*activates thermal hardeners for incoming flame
JC Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2017-05-19 22:21:11 UTC
has the same dps as other cruisers
Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-05-20 00:33:17 UTC
I really wanna hear why it should be nerfed :D
Vexor is like this from the start of the game ^^
GsyBoy
Doomheim
#4 - 2017-05-20 15:33:42 UTC
Vexor is best a what it does, it is not best cruiser. Everything does not have to be the same, cruisers should be able to beat bc's, bc's beat bf's, frigs beat destroyer, etc etc etc

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2017-05-20 18:49:14 UTC
Vexor has a fairly small drone bay, I'm not too worried about it. On the zkill top 10 cruisers there are a bunch above it and the caracal is on top with nearly double the kills.

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Rawls Canardly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-05-21 01:23:35 UTC
Ok, I'll bite, why do you think the T1 Vexor needs a nerf? The cap is too small for prolonged mwding around the field, it's tank is far weaker than caracal or maller, it's far slower than the rupture... The thing is honestly mediocre in most regards, and even the DPS barely keeps up (if your drones haven't died yet). Why, pray tell, do you want the droneboat's drone bonus nerfed?
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-05-21 02:56:59 UTC
Rawls Canardly wrote:
Ok, I'll bite, why do you think the T1 Vexor needs a nerf? The cap is too small for prolonged mwding around the field, it's tank is far weaker than caracal or maller, it's far slower than the rupture... The thing is honestly mediocre in most regards, and even the DPS barely keeps up (if your drones haven't died yet). Why, pray tell, do you want the droneboat's drone bonus nerfed?



My money is that he recently lost to one.
Rawls Canardly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2017-05-21 03:22:04 UTC
Alexi Stokov wrote:
Rawls Canardly wrote:
Ok, I'll bite, why do you think the T1 Vexor needs a nerf? The cap is too small for prolonged mwding around the field, it's tank is far weaker than caracal or maller, it's far slower than the rupture... The thing is honestly mediocre in most regards, and even the DPS barely keeps up (if your drones haven't died yet). Why, pray tell, do you want the droneboat's drone bonus nerfed?



My money is that he recently lost to one.

unless it was on an alt, none of his recent losses were to vexors.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-05-21 03:31:47 UTC
It's slow, heavy drones are even slower, it can only do big numbers on targets that can't kite, you can kill it's drones and the drone bay isn't so large that you aren't forced to make choices. More or less heavies or meds.

It's clearly weaker than faction drone cruisers (gila, stratios, navy vexor)
Rawls Canardly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-05-21 03:41:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rawls Canardly
Coralas wrote:
It's slow, heavy drones are even slower, it can only do big numbers on targets that can't kite, you can kill it's drones and the drone bay isn't so large that you aren't forced to make choices. More or less heavies or meds.

It's clearly weaker than faction drone cruisers (gila, stratios, navy vexor)

Yes, but those are faction cruisers. Working as intended.
Fourteen Maken
Karma and Causality
#11 - 2017-05-22 00:43:24 UTC
both the caracal and the vexor need to be nerfed, especially the navy vexor
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#12 - 2017-05-22 04:50:42 UTC
Actually I don't even like the vexor, never could get it to work good for me, and it sure doesn't have the Moa's punch with guns, drones are the main focus of this ship but I'd take a thorax over a vexor any day.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2017-05-22 08:48:03 UTC
The Vexor is a very powerful niche ship. It may be the best T1 cruiser but it's not overpowered.

It does more damage than any other cruiser against high signature radius targets - particularly T1 haulers, mining barges and battleships. But it's also mediocre against frigates and T3 destroyers who can speed tank it, and has plenty of other limitations.

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Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2017-05-22 08:52:11 UTC
If a Vexor is fitted for max dps any fast and agile ship can kill its ogres and every other drone and then can kill vexor slowly.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#15 - 2017-05-22 14:32:02 UTC
Agree, vexor and caracal are over the line atm. (caracal only because it can fit rlmls)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#16 - 2017-05-22 15:07:29 UTC
Did someone get killed by a Vexor?
Xzanos
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#17 - 2017-05-22 20:40:02 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
But it's also mediocre against frigates and T3 destroyers who can speed tank it, and has plenty of other limitations.


These are the same limitations almost all turret cruisers face though so its not really a limitation only the vexor has.

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Xzanos
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#18 - 2017-05-22 21:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Xzanos
Rawls Canardly wrote:
Ok, I'll bite, why do you think the T1 Vexor needs a nerf? The cap is too small for prolonged mwding around the field, it's tank is far weaker than caracal or maller, it's far slower than the rupture... The thing is honestly mediocre in most regards, and even the DPS barely keeps up (if your drones haven't died yet). Why, pray tell, do you want the droneboat's drone bonus nerfed?


I guess I just never get good matchups... With no damage mods and med drones the Vexor is capable of pushing 500 dps.. I will use the Rupture in this example which is only able to put out 340 dps.. this is already a huge gap.

This is easily compounded with damage mods or "sacrificing damage" to dedicate all lows slots for tank.
The amount of damage that a shield fit Vexor outputs is so high that the Neut you could fit in a utility slot of the Rupture will not cap out your opponent nearly fast enough, and most armor Vexor fit cap boosters.
The drone bay size also severely thwarts any attempt at fitting a smartbomb to counter drones.

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Nerlens Nerlens
Doomheim
#19 - 2017-05-22 21:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerlens Nerlens
Xzanos wrote:
[quote=Rawls Canardly]

I guess I just never get good matchups... With no damage mods and med drones the Vexor is capable of pushing 500 dps. I will use the Rupture in this example which is only able to put out 340 dps




To approach that amount of DPS without damage mods the vexor needs to fit blasters, which gimp the rest of the fit.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#20 - 2017-05-22 22:38:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Did someone get killed by a Vexor?


Why do people always make it personal, the vexor is by far the best t1 cruiser. The only thing close to it is the caracal. It does everything, its extremely tanky with either absurd ehp via a buffer tank or dual or even triple rep. It does absurd dps for a cruiser (over 1k if fit for it), its fast, it can kite. It can do everything.


A t2 fit buffer vexor has 52k EHP while dealing 628dps cold. In a game where most cuisers have about 30k ehp and deal 500 dps or so. It doesnt even require skills, its the perfect noobship (t2 light neutron buffer fit), its also perfect for older players.

Its just way to good.



And no i havnt died to a vexor in ages, so it really isnt personal.
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