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Probably been discussed a million times, but Large Transports please
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Stephanie Rosefire
Atlas Protectorate and Empire Defense Agency
#1 - 2017-05-19 12:14:29 UTC
Sick of current transports not being big enough, and freighters being way too large and slow. Give us Large size (battleship size) transports, that can carry up to, idk, 100k m3? 150k? or whatever. Transporting ships is a pain, and when i wanna transport something like a BS or two and a handful of cruisers, transports arent large enough and freighters are waaay too large and slow. Give us something in the middle

Probably been discussed to death and back, but throwing in my frustrations :P Also large size mining ships would be cool. Would probably need heavy balancing or made super niche to not totally devalue exhumers.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#2 - 2017-05-19 12:23:29 UTC
Orca? Bowhead?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2017-05-19 12:25:48 UTC
This has been brought up over and over, you're right. And had you searched you would also know the ship(s) you are looking for exist

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Stephanie Rosefire
Atlas Protectorate and Empire Defense Agency
#4 - 2017-05-19 12:33:41 UTC
Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#5 - 2017-05-19 12:38:08 UTC
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.

Do you know how fitting a ship works?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Rhaegon Aesir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-05-19 12:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhaegon Aesir
Oops, double post :P
Rhaegon Aesir
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-05-19 12:43:03 UTC
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Large size (battleship size) transports, that can carry up to, idk, 100k m3? 150k? or whatever.


A cargo-fit orca can carry just over 100k m3 in its main cargohold, 40k m3 in the Fleet Hangar, and has another 400k m3 for assembled ships in the Ship Maintenance Bay. This is even more than you asked for.

Next time, please do at least some cursory research on the things you want to ask for, before you ask them. As is the case here, you will often find that you are not, in fact, the first person to think of such a thing, and CCP has already gone ahead and put it in the game. :)
Stephanie Rosefire
Atlas Protectorate and Empire Defense Agency
#8 - 2017-05-19 12:43:54 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.

Do you know how fitting a ship works?


-_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2017-05-19 12:54:23 UTC
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.

Do you know how fitting a ship works?


-_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.


You're asking for 100k, but 100k+40k isn't big enough?

If two battleships plus four cruisers isn't enough, then how much is? And what sort of pricerange do you see this thing coming in at? I assume you're asking for orca capacity at occator price?
Scialt
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#10 - 2017-05-19 12:55:40 UTC
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.

Do you know how fitting a ship works?


-_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.



Again... an Orca that is fit for maximized cargo can hold 100,000 m3 in it's cargo hold in ADDITION to the assembled ships it can carry. The OP asked for 100,000 m3 cargo... which the Orca can achieve.

And it also has the other holds to go with that cargo space. It seems to fit the bill.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-05-19 13:27:32 UTC
Scialt wrote:
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.

Do you know how fitting a ship works?


-_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.



Again... an Orca that is fit for maximized cargo can hold 100,000 m3 in it's cargo hold in ADDITION to the assembled ships it can carry. The OP asked for 100,000 m3 cargo... which the Orca can achieve.

And it also has the other holds to go with that cargo space. It seems to fit the bill.


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#12 - 2017-05-19 17:13:54 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Damnit I don't know what I really want but I want it right ******* now!
I considered a really smutty comment in response to this Twisted but instead:

This seems to be a general malaise in F&I, also in people born in the late 1900's*

* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

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Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2017-05-19 17:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Old Pervert
So.. an Orca has a volume of 10.25 million m3.

Your average battleship has a volume of 0.5 million m3.

You want a "battleship sized transport". To me that reads as "I want a transport with dimensions that resemble those of a battleship"... so I'll be answering in that context.

You don't want that, unless you want something with about double the capacity of a T1 indy ship. It's certainly a far way away from the 100k m3.

"I want bigger and I want faster" fails to justify anything.

Get a carrier, jump it between destinations. A niddy has a 1M m3 maintenance bay. Well in excess of your goals, and a jump drive is WAY faster.

If it's for highsec then you must deal with the fact that highsec is supposed to be slower-paced, where the carebears can keep up.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2017-05-19 17:40:52 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

Hehe...

Wanna feel really old?

- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago

- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 – Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show – under the Nicktoons banner.
That was 26 years ago.

- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.

- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )

How did you Veterans start?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#15 - 2017-05-19 19:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
ShahFluffers wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

Hehe...

Wanna feel really old?

- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago

- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 – Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show – under the Nicktoons banner.
That was 26 years ago.

- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.

- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )
I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Cade Windstalker
#16 - 2017-05-21 05:25:05 UTC
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.


An Orca actually has quite a bit of regular cargo space, and a Bowhead is *much* faster than a Freighter because a Bowhead can fit a MWD and use that to warp faster. Throw in a warp speed rig and implants on top of that and it's not too bad for speed compared to, say, an Orca which is the baseline for the kind of cargo capacity you're asking for (while also complaining that it doesn't carry enough).

Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
-_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.


And yet that's exactly the kind of cargo capacity you're asking for...


OP, it's not supposed to be quick and easy to move large volumes of stuff around space. That's why Freighters are slow, that's why ships get slower quickly as cargo capacity increases.

If you want to haul a large number of hulls around either get an Orca or a Bowhead, or just bite the bullet and get a Freighter.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#17 - 2017-05-21 05:31:38 UTC
Orcas are already cheaper than T2 battleships and that's the sort of thing you're asking for, right? Just get an Orca. Or a freighter. Or a JF. There are options in the range you're asking.
Tiberius NoVegas
NovKor Corp.
#18 - 2017-06-06 03:48:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius NoVegas
im in agreement with the OP, i see a large demand for a new crago ship to fill the gap between industrial and freighter.

as it stands most industrial's have a cargo hold of 2,100-5,800 (minus specialized industrials) with a base cost around 1.5 million max. some industrial's when properly fitted get around 40,000 cargo. The next jump in the Industrial line-up is frieighter that jumps to a 400,000 cargo hold with a base cost around 1.2 billion and when properly fitted can easily break the 1,000,000 cargo mark. That leaves a gap for a 40,000-400,000 cargo hold ship. while your argument that the Orca fill this gap is more of a band aid fix when you consider that industrial's get up to a 25% bonus to the cargo hold and are not limited by what they can actually haul (minus specialized industrials again). so if there existed a mid-class hauler ship with a cargo hold around 50,000 and 3-4 low slots, they would be able to easily fill this industrial gap with a maxed cargo build allowing up to 300,000 cargo hold. This would help alleviate the massive gap in industrial's allowing pilots to better transition from one industrial ship to another.

My recommendation is break industrial's into 3 category's:
T1- Transports - should be current industrial line up
T2 - Cutter(Fast Transport) - Current T2 industrial's as they are now

T1 - Cargo - should be the new line up to fill in the gap
T2 - Blockade Runner - T2 Cargo ships with similar bonus's to the current T2 industrials

T1 - Freighters - remained as they are
T2 - Jump Freighters - as they are now
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#19 - 2017-06-06 04:32:50 UTC
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Stephanie Rosefire wrote:
Not really, orca can only move fitted ships, not packaged ships, and bowhead is the exact same size as a freighter, so its just as slow.

Do you know how fitting a ship works?


-_- yes, but you cant fit a fitted battleship into an orca -_- let alone more than one. and im not talking about about fitted ships, im just talking about packaged ships, which an orca cant hold more than 1 packaged battleships, 2 with certain fits.


Your goalposts need to stop overheating their MWD.


Your OP literally said, "Transporting ships is a pain, and when i wanna transport something like a BS or two and a handful of cruisers, transports arent large enough and freighters are waaay too large and slow."

A cargo-fit Orca can move "a BS or two" in the cargohold, along with 4 packaged cruisers in the fleet hangar and 4 more in the maintenance bay.

It satisfactorily fulfills the precise need you elected to use as an example in your OP. Roll

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2017-06-06 06:32:11 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


* It feels weird to say/type late 1900's

Hehe...

Wanna feel really old?

- the first Toy Story was made 22 years ago

- Nickelodeon debuted its first original animated series in 1991 – Doug, Rugrats, and The Ren & Stimpy Show – under the Nicktoons banner.
That was 26 years ago.

- the original iPhone more or less came out 10 years ago.

- Anyone born in the 1980s and earlier sbould remember what a rotery phone is. And how to use it. Oh, and don't forget how one had to send messages via payphone without actually paying (ex: "Say. Your. Name. After. The. Prompt" *beeeeep* "Heymomcomepickmeupon30thandgrand,loveyoubye!!" )
I saw A New Hope in the cinema on the day it released; it's 40 years old next Thursday.


Jesus...are we that old guys?

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