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T3 vs Tier 3 -- we need a convention
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Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-01-23 17:14:02 UTC
Yea, I am going with R3 as it is the only option here that is reasonable to speak out loud.

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Iceni
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-01-23 17:18:53 UTC
Just fly a Marauder, and nobody will get confused. Blink

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-01-23 18:18:37 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Reducing it to "T3" works, but only when it is contextually clear what you are talking about, to avoid confusion with T3 (strategic) cruisers. Removing the T's capitalization from the BCs is a possible solution (t3 vs T3), but many people won't be assed to adhere to that, particularly in very shorthand stuff: "hey bro i gccd in my t3 2day n had xpensive lossmail"

With respect to you, I do not see any reason to alter culture to encourage even more stupid abbreviated net-speak.

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Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-01-23 18:21:15 UTC
Yo, 1st world issue.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-23 18:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
For content, I personally like the idea of "BC3" to represent "Battlecruiser, Tier 3," because it follows a couple of conventions that I find mutually attractive. First, it follows a military-style naming convention by which the noun precedes the descriptor; second, it allows for the inclusion of other ships that also have multiple tiers. You could call a Tier 2 battlecruiser a BC2, a Tier 3 frigate a FF3, a hypothetical Tier 2 destroyer a DD2, and a Tier 1 battleship a BB1 or BS1(depending on whether you wish to use the designator used in real life navies or the simple abbreviations we've adopted for the game).

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-01-23 18:25:15 UTC
Zowie Powers wrote:
Yo, 1st world issue.

Anything to do with this video game is a first world issue. What is your point?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#27 - 2012-01-23 18:30:02 UTC
Zowie Powers wrote:
Yo, 1.0 sec issue.

FTFY

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stoicfaux
#28 - 2012-01-23 18:31:43 UTC
T3 and TIII, duh.

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Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#29 - 2012-01-24 00:10:20 UTC
T3 and t3. So a tornado is a BC t3. This will work fine until there's a T3 t3.


If you want you could also define the actual race, and maybe use - as delimiters.
Quote:
M-BS-t3
That's a Minmatar tier 3 battleship

Only problem here is when we're talking about classes where there's more than one ship, assault frigs as an example
Quote:
M-AF-t1
could both be a jaguar or a wolf, but in those cases we can add the first first letters of the ships name
Quote:
C-AF-t1-Haw
Caldari assault frigate t1 Hawk.

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Jacob Stiller
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-01-24 00:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacob Stiller
Mr M wrote:
T3 and t3. So a tornado is a BC t3. This will work fine until there's a T3 t3.


If you want you could also define the actual race, and maybe use - as delimiters.
Quote:
M-BS-t3
That's a Minmatar tier 3 battleship

Only problem here is when we're talking about classes where there's more than one ship, assault frigs as an example
Quote:
M-AF-t1
could both be a jaguar or a wolf, but in those cases we can add the first first letters of the ships name
Quote:
C-AF-t1-Haw
Caldari assault frigate t1 Hawk.


You can drop the dashes and refer to tier by x instead of tx. I.e. CAF1HAW. Of course, if you want pure shorthand without minding a little ambiguity, then you are just left with CAF1. However, there are just 2 assault frigates per race so you could arbitrarily assign tiers to them. E.g. let CAF1 refer to Harpy and CAF2 refer to Hawk. Then everything is precisely defined while shorting the designation from 11 characters to 4. Frankly, noone would bother with an 11 character designation when they could just type Harpy or Hawk instead.
Novinya
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-01-24 00:57:24 UTC
I recommend CCP remove the tier distinction and then we won't have to worry about it.

All the tier system does is make many ships hopelessly gimped and never flown.
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#32 - 2012-01-24 01:07:38 UTC
Jacob Stiller wrote:
You can drop the dashes and refer to tier by x instead of tx. I.e. CAF1HAW. Of course, if you want pure shorthand without minding a little ambiguity, then you are just left with CAF1. However, there are just 2 assault frigates per race so you could arbitrarily assign tiers to them. E.g. let CAF1 refer to Harpy and CAF2 refer to Hawk. Then everything is precisely defined while shorting the designation from 11 characters to 4.

I have a memory of reading that it's easier for most people to remember series of numbers and character in twos or threes. As an example you have the classic police radio codes but also ip numbers. It's a whole lot easier to remember 87.237.38.200 than 8723738200.

Jacob Stiller wrote:
Frankly, noone would bother with an 11 character designation when they could just type Harpy or Hawk instead.

Bah! You're no fun to play with Big smile I was looking forward to discussions about M-EF-1-H and how we could make it better. Smile

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-01-24 01:37:07 UTC
t3= tech 3 as t2 = tech 2.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-01-24 01:59:45 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
I like Tr3 . It almost says it. Tr3 and T3. The T and r are next to each other on the keyboard, too.

Derus. We'll meet you out there. Go ahead and start without us.


I like that. Well done sir, I shall implement that immediately. Of course, I will need a reason to talk about either one though. 
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Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
#35 - 2012-01-24 04:19:21 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
I like Tr3 . It almost says it. Tr3 and T3. The T and r are next to each other on the keyboard, too.

Derus. We'll meet you out there. Go ahead and start without us.


simple and attractive, yeh this is good, ill go with this naming convention when discussed with others.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#36 - 2012-01-24 04:25:44 UTC
i call it oracle and legion :)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-01-24 04:53:56 UTC
get rid of tiers ..

problem solved.
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