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That's a 1.7B fit... Its a plex+well fitted BS.

BTW, i did a lot of lvl3's in an Omen. Now I started lvl4 in an Omen Navy. I like it! It's sometimes boring when u shoot battleships for minutes, but its not a warp in stand-shoot-loot kind of game. It takes time, challangeing, sometimes makes you angry but defenetly better than farm for plex. If you want to make ISK you can do DED 3/10 and 4/10 easily in a faction cruiser.

Trust me I am not wrong on this. I did several today. L4 Cargo Delivery spawns 2-3 BS and 2-3 cruisers depending on the spawn. Its still easily doable in a frigate with MWD but slow boating in a shuttle will be murder. Sunesis with alpha skills and a mild passive tank can do this still.

Hello,

I thought I'd add my experience since I've successfully completed a number of Level 4 missions, in the last week, using an Alpha-fitted Gnosis with 720 and 650 mm Artys. I'm a Rust Alpha..

Doable: Yes, Efficient: No
Some of the earlier posters queried: "Can it be done efficiently?". The short answer is "Not really". Additionally, some of the bigger missions I did not complete (though farming bounties is comparatively good for Alpha income).

DPS
DPS is almost 300, but 50 comes from drones and they are limited to 25 km's (not great). I have maxed possible drone skills, they are good for taking down small ships as usual. Sometimes its useful to close to 25 km and use your drones for the later bigger targets - the tank can take it.

Almost Maxxed Skills
I played in 2011 for 3 months, and played again as Alpha (3 weeks) then as Omega (3 months) since December 2016. I'm now Alpha again for the last week. My SP is around 7.5 million and I am effectively maxed for Minmatar medium weapons and combat systems that would directly or indirectly affect performance and dps.

Highs Slots, Guns:
Its almost identical to my Maelstrom fit, except using 720 and 650 mm guns (not 120mm guns). 3 720s, 2 650s and a heavy missile launcher, I also have heavy missiles 3 and warhead upgrades to 2 or 3. Again DPS is 300, could go alittle higher by using the very best 'named' 720's and 650's.
Range of the guns is 57 Km's with titanium sabot and 39 Km's with EMP and Fusion. (35 km with the 650's) (heavy Launcher 47 km flight time)

Shield Tank same as Maelstrom
Tank is effectively identical to my Maelstrom, mid-slots

The tank is absolutely supreme, there is almost no difference between the Maelstrom Sheild Tank and the Gnosis shield tank, even though the Mael has double HP. The sheild tank enables you to survive. The 900m3 enables you to carry around 25 800 cap boosters. It's also the problem though - you have to restock these because under fire you're pumping the cap and the shield.

Low Slots
The reactor/cpu is the issue, Without the reactor control units you cant use the 720's, and I could only use 3.

General Comments and Additional Info
I stock an MTU which helps in timing, the 900M3 again is actually better than the Maelstrom.
The shield tank is awesome and stands up under fire from up to say 4 or 5 battlehships (worth 500K bounty each). it's impressive but its burns through booster 800's. I have to refill these when spawns and waves number beyond 3. For multiple rooms its multiple restocks.

Sheild Tank is more than respectable for Level 4, dps is low and slow but usable just not efficient. Drones at 25km's is a draw back aswell.

The MWD grants me 1000 m/s and this is incredibly useful to get out of ****. (pretty sure I have max skills here aswell, if not its 3% less than max skills)

ISK/hour
At this stage, Id say isk per hour is around 6 to 10 million in consideration of market return on loot, mission reward and mission bonus and bounties. additionally because you cant insure Gnosis, I run from hi sec Level IV agents. This doesn't include 2500 to 4000 typical LP (I have best SP connections) per mission.

Id say smaller and medium missions can be done in 1 to 1.5 hours.

Fit Value
Finally, the fit I have is worth 63 million, including MTU. Its not really a gank target (no hot kit) but its insured for about 3 ISK!

Against Angels
Most often I'm running angels as my enemies, FYI.

[Gnosis, Gnosis Alpha Level 4 Mission Fit]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I - switch to mission type
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I - switch to mission type
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon, Fusion M
650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon, Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Fusion M
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Nova Heavy Missile

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I


Warrior I x15 - switch to mission type

I refuse to do level 4 mission without Golem.

You may want to double-check those builds - Alphas can use many T2 modules with the appropriate skills. They can't use T2 guns.

I've run Level 3 missions as an alpha clone so far as both Gallente (Vexor) and Caldari (Caracal), and I stumbled upon this topic when I was trying to figure out what my chances are for level 4 missions. What I've read so far, it seems to me they're not really worth the trouble for alpha clones. To get enough DPS out of my mission ships (I assume you need 300+ for lvl 4), I will probably have to sacrifice tank and range too much.

My problem with Level 3 missions however is that the loot kinda sucks, but I find my completist self picking it up anyway.

Btw, with the right alpha skills trained these level 3 missions aren't too difficult. Except for the one that has neut and webtowers, as well as NPC's scrambling you. I lost 2 Caracals on that one before I figured it out.
What really helps imo are the skills and tech 2 modules that I can train into as an alpha (although so far I keep my rigs at tech 1 to keep the cost down). With Gallente alpha skills alone I can control my drones at 40km and have my hybrids do additional damage at that range for a total of 250 DPS, while keeping a 17K EHP active shield tank, for instance. And as Caldari alpha I can fire missiles at a comfortable 60km with a 20K EHP active shield tank, while still doing more than enough damage for level 3 missions.

However it seems to me that this simply won't cut it for many lvl 4 missions. I will probably find myself fleeing out the engagement in structure way too often to make these missions even slightly enjoyable in an alpha cruiser (haven't saved up for a fully fitted Gnosis yet, but I'm not sure if it will make much difference).

Could easily do it with a speed tanking shield extended Rax. Would take time flying around but I'm pretty certain I could complete level 4's by taking out the right ships and avoiding a few that' it would fail on. But then that's me and I'm exceptional.

Not exactly on topic, but I used to run a lot of level 4s in a HAC the Cerberus to be exact. Required a lot more hands on piloting, but it was so much more fun than my sit and kill everything Tengu. lol.