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Any Alpha Clone managed to do level 4 missions yet?

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Hakawai
State War Academy
Caldari State
#101 - 2017-02-26 19:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakawai
ImYourMom wrote:
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.

You can do a haven in a Vexor navy

AFAIK my Alpha has done all the L3 Security missions in a normal Vexor.

Of course the ship is specifically fitted for this purpose. The main trade-off is relatively low DPS in exchange for very long range.

If I wanted to optimize for ISK/hour I'd have two (maybe three) ships, and a mission/ship list so I could choose the one that provided the best ISK/hour for each mission. I'd certainly include a gun/drone hybrid, which would have anything up to twice the dps - better for the easier L3's, but not enough tank for the hard ones.

I've taken a cruiser into moderately difficult Security L4's a couple of times (protected by someone in a more appropriate ship of course). My T1 Vexors with Alpha restrictions don't have the dps to deal with the harder rats, and take far too long to drop the medium-strength ones.

OTOH three or four T1 cruisers would be enough for any L4 I've tried out. The problem there is trust. The way loot is distributed in missions encourages theft, and it only takes one thief in the group. What sane EVE player would trust three strangers?
Mhargit Kohvats
We Like Pandas
#102 - 2017-03-02 08:51:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mhargit Kohvats
Isaac Silverblood wrote:
Could this run lv 4's?

[Gnosis, Alpha Bling AR]

Sentient Damage Control
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster

True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Drone Link Augmentor I
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Federation Navy Hammerhead x5


That's a 1.7B fit... Its a plex+well fitted BS.

BTW, i did a lot of lvl3's in an Omen. Now I started lvl4 in an Omen Navy. I like it! It's sometimes boring when u shoot battleships for minutes, but its not a warp in stand-shoot-loot kind of game. It takes time, challangeing, sometimes makes you angry but defenetly better than farm for plex. If you want to make ISK you can do DED 3/10 and 4/10 easily in a faction cruiser.
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2017-03-02 18:37:12 UTC
Isaac Silverblood wrote:
Could this run lv 4's?

[Gnosis, Alpha Bling AR]

Sentient Damage Control
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster

True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Drone Link Augmentor I
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Federation Navy Hammerhead x5


You could do lvl 4s.

You could also be ganked with the force of 1000 suns.

"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain."

Eternus8lux8lucis
Duckzer Mining Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
#104 - 2017-03-03 09:49:16 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then.

They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire.Blink


Damn, glad I haven't gotten that mission recently!


I think he's wrong, unless the change is after 12/06 instead of Ascension.

Cargo Delivery and Recon (all 3) can be done by anyone can fly a frigate with a 5MN MWD and basic tanks.
and I think among other lv4 missions, blood raider spies, right hand of Zazz, stop the thief, pirate invasion, serpentis assault, unauthorized military presence, pot and kettle (1/5) and surprise surprise should be handable for a maxed-skilled alpha clone with lots of player experience, solo by blitzing. I'm sure I'm miss some others.
if they want good isk/hr, they should go to check for the cargo delivery and recon (probably also stop the thief and pot and kettle 1/5) missions. and if they've fleeted, 2 should be enough for team burner and 3 for agent burner, maybe 3 and 4 for more efficience.

Trust me I am not wrong on this. I did several today. L4 Cargo Delivery spawns 2-3 BS and 2-3 cruisers depending on the spawn. Its still easily doable in a frigate with MWD but slow boating in a shuttle will be murder. Sunesis with alpha skills and a mild passive tank can do this still.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#105 - 2017-03-03 12:47:38 UTC
Alpha bots are running level 4 courier missions.
LordGirl Flowers
LordGirl Flowers Corporation
#106 - 2017-03-18 10:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: LordGirl Flowers
Hello,

I thought I'd add my experience since I've successfully completed a number of Level 4 missions, in the last week, using an Alpha-fitted Gnosis with 720 and 650 mm Artys. I'm a Rust Alpha..

Doable: Yes, Efficient: No
Some of the earlier posters queried: "Can it be done efficiently?". The short answer is "Not really". Additionally, some of the bigger missions I did not complete (though farming bounties is comparatively good for Alpha income).

DPS
DPS is almost 300, but 50 comes from drones and they are limited to 25 km's (not great). I have maxed possible drone skills, they are good for taking down small ships as usual. Sometimes its useful to close to 25 km and use your drones for the later bigger targets - the tank can take it.

Almost Maxxed Skills
I played in 2011 for 3 months, and played again as Alpha (3 weeks) then as Omega (3 months) since December 2016. I'm now Alpha again for the last week. My SP is around 7.5 million and I am effectively maxed for Minmatar medium weapons and combat systems that would directly or indirectly affect performance and dps.

Highs Slots, Guns:
Its almost identical to my Maelstrom fit, except using 720 and 650 mm guns (not 120mm guns). 3 720s, 2 650s and a heavy missile launcher, I also have heavy missiles 3 and warhead upgrades to 2 or 3. Again DPS is 300, could go alittle higher by using the very best 'named' 720's and 650's.
Range of the guns is 57 Km's with titanium sabot and 39 Km's with EMP and Fusion. (35 km with the 650's) (heavy Launcher 47 km flight time)

Shield Tank same as Maelstrom
Tank is effectively identical to my Maelstrom, mid-slots

The tank is absolutely supreme, there is almost no difference between the Maelstrom Sheild Tank and the Gnosis shield tank, even though the Mael has double HP. The sheild tank enables you to survive. The 900m3 enables you to carry around 25 800 cap boosters. It's also the problem though - you have to restock these because under fire you're pumping the cap and the shield.

Low Slots
The reactor/cpu is the issue, Without the reactor control units you cant use the 720's, and I could only use 3.

General Comments and Additional Info
I stock an MTU which helps in timing, the 900M3 again is actually better than the Maelstrom.
The shield tank is awesome and stands up under fire from up to say 4 or 5 battlehships (worth 500K bounty each). it's impressive but its burns through booster 800's. I have to refill these when spawns and waves number beyond 3. For multiple rooms its multiple restocks.

Sheild Tank is more than respectable for Level 4, dps is low and slow but usable just not efficient. Drones at 25km's is a draw back aswell.

The MWD grants me 1000 m/s and this is incredibly useful to get out of ****. (pretty sure I have max skills here aswell, if not its 3% less than max skills)

ISK/hour
At this stage, Id say isk per hour is around 6 to 10 million in consideration of market return on loot, mission reward and mission bonus and bounties. additionally because you cant insure Gnosis, I run from hi sec Level IV agents. This doesn't include 2500 to 4000 typical LP (I have best SP connections) per mission.

Id say smaller and medium missions can be done in 1 to 1.5 hours.

Fit Value
Finally, the fit I have is worth 63 million, including MTU. Its not really a gank target (no hot kit) but its insured for about 3 ISK!

Against Angels
Most often I'm running angels as my enemies, FYI.

[Gnosis, Gnosis Alpha Level 4 Mission Fit]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I - switch to mission type
Limited Explosive Deflection Field I - switch to mission type
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon, Fusion M
650mm Medium Prototype Siege Cannon, Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Fusion M
720mm 'Scout' Artillery I, Fusion M
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Nova Heavy Missile

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I


Warrior I x15 - switch to mission type
LordGirl Flowers
LordGirl Flowers Corporation
#107 - 2017-03-18 10:55:09 UTC
Casandra Laur wrote:
I, myself, do not want to do any arguing. I would like to think that an Alpha thinking about L4s, might game some insight from this post.

Did you know that "Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge (in the nominative case γνῶσις f.). It generally signifies a dualistic knowledge in the sense of mystical enlightenment or "insight"."

Any way, this is the very first post:

"Any Alpha clone managed to do L4 missions yet? -efficiently or doable?"

It seems like to me that means doing them solo.

It's just not a simple yes or no answer, that's why we're into the 5th page. An Alpha could do some L4's. Mission's like "Enemies Abound", no. "The Anomaly Part 1 and 2", yes; part 3, no. "The Assault", no. "Cargo Delivery", yes. "Dread Pirate Scarlet", no. "Guristas Spies", no. "Recon", yes. etc. etc.

I'm sure that if there is a difficult L4 mission that could be completed by an Alpha, it wouldn't be done efficiently.

A person in a heavy tanked Drake, could do possibly all L4s, but it would take forever.

The overall outlook for L4s for a solo Alpha, as the OP asked, is not good. I don't think Alphas are going to get rich quick.

-Cassy


Hey, Ill post my fit shortly, but they are very doable in a Gnosis. As I point out above I use a shield tank as a minmatar pilot and artys (720s and 650s).

It is not efficient, but it is doable for small and medium (most) Level 4 missions. Isk / hour is probably quite good for alpha at 6 mill to 10 mill (per hour) . Better than venture mining ore and more reliable than venture ninja gas mining!

Cheers
Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
#108 - 2017-03-18 11:58:19 UTC
I refuse to do level 4 mission without Golem.
Finn Aireman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2017-04-19 02:27:45 UTC
Well, hopefully I can help my fellow alphas out by sharing my experience as a Gellente alpha.
I've done dozens of lvl 3 missions in my Vexor.

Fit is as follows:

Low:
1x Micro auxilliary power core I
1 x Vortex Compact Magnetic field stabilizer
3x AE-K Compact Drone damage amplifiers

Medium:
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
2x Limited Adaptive Invulnerability field
1x Large Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender

High: 4 x 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun /w Uranium Charge (M) (I use Uranium instead of Antimatter for the added range with only a small drop in DPS. This lets me keep my enemies at 25-30km, with my drones and turrets taking down enemies in unison).

rig:
3 x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Drones:
a mix of
Hammerhead I
Hobgoblin I

I put out more hammerheads for Destroyers/cruisers/battleships, and more hobgoblins for frigates.

Currently I get 329dps with all hammerheads in this build.

I've seen many "Alpha" builds on the forums with Tech II modules. Alphas CANNOT use those. Those are not true alpha builds.

I'm excited to start lvl 4's with the Gnosis. I have 412 dps in the Gnosis currently. We'll see how that goes, once I get enough rep with SOE

I looked carefully at the Vexor Navy Issue and realized that it's actually not a good alpha ship. True, it has more Shield/Armour/Hull than the Vexor, but its increased drone bandwidth is not usable by an alpha (we can only fit 5 med drones max, which only uses 50mbit/sec, and it has 2 less turrets. So I would get a slightly better tank at the cost of two turrets. Hardly a benefit, especially at ~8x the cost of a regular Vexor.

The Gnosis is a definite upgrade however with massively larger HP, an extra turret and a higher bonus to both turret and drone damage (since we alphas max out at 4 Gallente cruiser skill, we only get 20% and 40% turret and drone bonus damage in a Vexor compared to 25% and 50% in the Gnosis.). Sadly, the Gnosis cannot be insured due to it's extremely low materials cost (5 ISK), so don't fly it if you can't afford to replace it. On that note, I've found that raiding Relic/Data sites in lowsec/wormhole space using the Imicus frigate is a really easy way to make ~20 million ISK per hour, as long as you don't mind being ganked from time to time (Man, I really wish we could use that cloaking device!!).

Anyway, hope this helps.
Good luck to the other alphas out there and Fly safe!
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2017-04-19 10:22:25 UTC
Finn Aireman wrote:
I've seen many "Alpha" builds on the forums with Tech II modules. Alphas CANNOT use those. Those are not true alpha builds.
You may want to double-check those builds - Alphas can use many T2 modules with the appropriate skills. They can't use T2 guns.

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.

HugoRich
HugoRich Corporation
#111 - 2017-04-19 12:15:35 UTC
Start as an alpha amarr, all lvl 3 easy on a Omen Navy, low signature 100m + kite + speed+ medium beam with M-navy optimal is around 20km, ehp 25k, +5 med drones dps is around 400, so u can do atleast half of l4, honestly i wasnt even try them coz get omega and sit on gila Big smile

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Lord Rolfski
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#112 - 2017-05-18 03:16:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Rolfski
I've run Level 3 missions as an alpha clone so far as both Gallente (Vexor) and Caldari (Caracal), and I stumbled upon this topic when I was trying to figure out what my chances are for level 4 missions. What I've read so far, it seems to me they're not really worth the trouble for alpha clones. To get enough DPS out of my mission ships (I assume you need 300+ for lvl 4), I will probably have to sacrifice tank and range too much.

My problem with Level 3 missions however is that the loot kinda sucks, but I find my completist self picking it up anyway.

Btw, with the right alpha skills trained these level 3 missions aren't too difficult. Except for the one that has neut and webtowers, as well as NPC's scrambling you. I lost 2 Caracals on that one before I figured it out.
What really helps imo are the skills and tech 2 modules that I can train into as an alpha (although so far I keep my rigs at tech 1 to keep the cost down). With Gallente alpha skills alone I can control my drones at 40km and have my hybrids do additional damage at that range for a total of 250 DPS, while keeping a 17K EHP active shield tank, for instance. And as Caldari alpha I can fire missiles at a comfortable 60km with a 20K EHP active shield tank, while still doing more than enough damage for level 3 missions.

However it seems to me that this simply won't cut it for many lvl 4 missions. I will probably find myself fleeing out the engagement in structure way too often to make these missions even slightly enjoyable in an alpha cruiser (haven't saved up for a fully fitted Gnosis yet, but I'm not sure if it will make much difference).
Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni
#113 - 2017-05-18 04:26:33 UTC
i did a test with alpha level 4 gnosis with a gallente alpha (it is me) when it first came out

i can confirm you can do L4s with an Alpha gnosis. But it took me like 2-3 hours to complete 1 mission lol.

the thing is to kite all the way and not fight guristas.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2017-05-18 10:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Could easily do it with a speed tanking shield extended Rax. Would take time flying around but I'm pretty certain I could complete level 4's by taking out the right ships and avoiding a few that' it would fail on. But then that's me and I'm exceptional.

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HydrogenBond Shaishi
C-H-C
#115 - 2017-05-19 03:24:32 UTC
not possible. Just Omega and go OP on level 4s...which is the suckies way to make isk/
jolly rog3rs
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#116 - 2017-05-19 20:37:31 UTC
Jotunspor wrote:
Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.


Not exactly on topic, but I used to run a lot of level 4s in a HAC the Cerberus to be exact. Required a lot more hands on piloting, but it was so much more fun than my sit and kill everything Tengu. lol.