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I want more info on lvl 5's
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EvilShallFall
RBON United
#1 - 2012-01-20 18:15:10 UTC
Been trolling around the forums and haven't really found answers to my questions.

1. What is an unprobable ship? I thought it was impossible to be immune to probes unless you are cloaked, which makes you useless to do the mission anyway.

2. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/37412-Solo-lvl-5-Tengu.html
is this really a viable fit for doing lvl 5's?

3. This is low sec so this should be an obvious question, but no one has asked it that I can see. What about the risk of pirates? how do you prevent them from finding you or at least find out before they get to you

I've been a high sec junkie and I just wanna start getting into the heavier stuff now, like making more money.
OldMan Gana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-20 18:29:30 UTC
How much experience do you have off travelling in low and null sec? Not talking about PVP here, just moving around from A-B in null or low.

Love United- Hate Glazer
Spineker
#3 - 2012-01-20 18:31:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Tengu was practically unprobable many patches ago but it was nerfed, it was kind of gimped anyway. Unprobable now would be cloaked ships.

Dscan is your friend in low sec. Hit it often and look for combat probes, see probes and not able to fight then cloak up or leave. There is no magic words to give you on lowsec PVP'ers..

Takes experience really.
EvilShallFall
RBON United
#4 - 2012-01-20 18:31:54 UTC
TBH not much. looking to get that experience
Spineker
#5 - 2012-01-20 18:32:51 UTC
Do you run level 4's in a tengu?
EvilShallFall
RBON United
#6 - 2012-01-20 18:34:32 UTC
No i run my lvl 4's in a drake
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Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2012-01-20 18:39:03 UTC
EvilShallFall wrote:
No i run my lvl 4's in a drake


Then you're not ready for lvl 5s.
EvilShallFall
RBON United
#8 - 2012-01-20 18:45:17 UTC
so the news is that i need to get used to a tengu first before i do lvl 5? ok i can do that. but i'd still like my questions answered
OldMan Gana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-20 18:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: OldMan Gana
EvilShallFall wrote:
so the news is that i need to get used to a tengu first before i do lvl 5? ok i can do that. but i'd still like my questions answered


I'd get used to null sec and low sec first. There are training corps out there that train people for free on null sec survival. Do the course with these guys and you'll be all set for missioning anywhere. But know this- In Null (and low) there corps who specialize in hunting ratters. They will hunt you down and if your caught, no ransom- just podded then your wreck looted for lulz.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7370&find=unread

Just my two cents

Love United- Hate Glazer
EvilShallFall
RBON United
#10 - 2012-01-20 18:55:12 UTC
ok thanks for the info guys
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#11 - 2012-01-21 00:53:37 UTC
EvilShallFall wrote:
Been trolling around the forums and haven't really found answers to my questions.

1. What is an unprobable ship? I thought it was impossible to be immune to probes unless you are cloaked, which makes you useless to do the mission anyway.

2. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/37412-Solo-lvl-5-Tengu.html
is this really a viable fit for doing lvl 5's?

3. This is low sec so this should be an obvious question, but no one has asked it that I can see. What about the risk of pirates? how do you prevent them from finding you or at least find out before they get to you

I've been a high sec junkie and I just wanna start getting into the heavier stuff now, like making more money.


1) It used to be possible to make ships impossible to probe by fitting so many ECCM that your sensor strength was greater than your signature radius. This was changed a while back, you can still get crazy high sensor strength and it will make you harder to probe, but you can never become totally unprobable.

2) Tank seems a little light but it's a good starting point. I'd go with b or c type resistance amps instead, beyond that it should work albeit VERY slowly.

3) D-scanner and local are your friends. If you see combat probes, it's time to go. Beyond that I personally don't worry too much. A dozen reds in local are no threat if they don't bother to drop combat probes. Obviously if it's just you in local, or nothing but blues then you can relax on the d-scanner. How busy the area around the agent is will depend on the location of the agent. Some areas are almost completely devoid of life while others are pretty busy.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-21 04:59:56 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Tengu was practically unprobable many patches ago but it was nerfed, it was kind of gimped anyway. Unprobable now would be cloaked ships.


Ya know, everyone says this. And yes I understand these fits are not "technically" unprobably. Buf the consensus is that it is still very hard. Additionally I have yet to hear anyone say that they have actually gotten probed down and caught.
Spineker
#13 - 2012-01-21 05:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
No I didn't say as in rumor, it was in the patch notes. Not making it up really.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-23 13:50:52 UTC
Spineker wrote:
No I didn't say as in rumor, it was in the patch notes. Not making it up really.


Therein lies the difference between the patch notes and the actual flying experience.

Technically every ship now can be probed down unless cloaked. So say the patch notes. In practice "unprobable" ships are exceedingly difficult to probe down, to the point that no one seems to have heard of a ship with a sig radius to sensor strength ratio of 1.08 or less being probed down in practice.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#15 - 2012-01-23 14:25:41 UTC
A few months back, it was absolutely impossible to probe those ships with more sensor strength than sig radius. I mean genuinely impossible by game mechanics. You could be in a cov ops with all lvl5 skills, faction launcher/probes, rigs and all the shiny implants (virtues + probing hardwirings) and you still couldn't do it. That is no longer the case. You still can't probe them out with a basic prober alt, but with a highly skilled one with implants you can. I know of one instance of a gangbooster t3 being probed down and killed since the change. I will not give the details of it.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-23 15:00:51 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
A few months back, it was absolutely impossible to probe those ships with more sensor strength than sig radius. I mean genuinely impossible by game mechanics. You could be in a cov ops with all lvl5 skills, faction launcher/probes, rigs and all the shiny implants (virtues + probing hardwirings) and you still couldn't do it. That is no longer the case. You still can't probe them out with a basic prober alt, but with a highly skilled one with implants you can. I know of one instance of a gangbooster t3 being probed down and killed since the change. I will not give the details of it.



Been more than a few months. I'm pretty sure it changed around July 2011. So since that time one person (you) have come forward with one instance of a previously unprobable fit getting scanned down and killed.

Given those statistics I'd say in practice the fits are still pretty safe. Sure you can't laugh with impunity, but chances are you can be pretty safe. If fleetbooster, unprobable + safes if you start seeing probes. Mission runners can probably still get their mission completed, although you'd have to be careful once you see probes overhead.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#17 - 2012-01-23 17:22:08 UTC
No denying it's still pretty damn safe. I don't go afk with my t3 booster alt decloaked, but I don't generally worry too much about him getting probed out in the few minutes I'm engaged in combat.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#18 - 2012-01-23 17:46:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
EvilShallFall wrote:
TBH not much. looking to get that experience


Like I said to another poster who wanted to go low sec... don't do it all together, expecially with an expensive ship.

1) Learn how to use that ship in hi sec, for real.

2) Learn to go low sec. Learn about the lag, how to escape, how to travel fit, how to cloak + mwd, how to enter a gate with 50 reds and not **** yourself off (and then lose all). How to undock, how kick off stations work. How to go around and make safes. How to not get taken with probes in an easily probed ship.

THEN

3) Go low sec with a ship as large as the T3 and repeat 2.

4) Now you should be able to actually get there and do what you want.


Also, yes, ships can be made almost unprobable but you should always assume the gankers have a top setup to hunt you down. Why? Because that's their job.


If you do every single point I listed above, one day you'll say: "that forum guy was so over-prudent, it's so easy!". Because you went there prepared.

If you don't, you'll become just another LOL kill mail, will get burned and will say: "it's IMPOSSIBLE to go low sec, EvE sucks, I give up".

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