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Intel i7 Processors, Four core or Six core?

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-01-22 23:27:48 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
IIRC...
GW2 projections are estimating 2.5 dual recommended.
D3 recommended is only 2.4 dual.

I bought a 3.0 dual four years ago for less than an i7 costs today and it still destroys every game right up to recent titles like Skyrim and SWTOR.

The reality of the PC market is that consoles are setting the bar, and people into PC components really just don't understand that. They are still comparing parts and getting the most power for their money, and people ENJOY reading about PC parts in that context so that's the discussion you continue to hear but it's not relevant anymore.

Go cheap today, and set aside the rest of your budget so you can buy something expensive when the consoles take a leap forward.


you are correct on all counts, being better then the PS3 in processing is all you really need for most games.

however, next gen is on the horizon.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-01-23 00:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Citizen20100211442 wrote:

Derp, and what if OP will listen your advice, and will buy cheap i5 , and is going to play Arma 3, with 500+ AI or some kind of Civilization 6 in huge map with many opponents? Or any other PC exclusive with lots of AI , huge amount of physics, whatever involved? There are games that dont give a damn about console performance, and many of them are great.
All games give a damn about console performance because they release in the same market as the other PC games and can't be seen as having unrealistic requirements. Your own example of Arma 3's recommended (not required, recommended) is any i5, and the BEST i5 is a 2.6quad. My dual core 3.0 will easily run that game at full or damn close.



Citizen20100211442 wrote:
Also some people use multiple clients, vmware, dedicated servers, all this keeps sucking power.
Nothing else you run on a PC comes close to a game unless it has bad memory leaks and you leave it running. If you want a machine to run a dedicated server for a cutting edge game that would be a whole different thread.



Citizen20100211442 wrote:
It's easy to change video card, but changing CPU can be problematic, so better choose good one, unless you buy new PC every 2 years.
You don't have to update a processor, you only need to overclock it and a good CPU+Fan is still far less than an overpriced shiny new CPU, however your argument hasn't gone that far because my 3.0 dual is still not over clocked after four years.

I've been buying a sub $1,000 pc every four years actually and I consider myself to be over spending. The fact you think you need a new one constantly or you have to overspend is pretty sad. Processors are over rated. Period.

The only point for overspending on a CPU is multiple clients you insist on running at max, but I don't now of any upcoming games you'd actually want to dual box, that my 3.0 dual core couldn't. Usually that's an MMO move and the MMO's coming out are not going to need an i7 to run two of them. Even if you DID want to dual box a fictional game that actually needed close to an i7... no one dual boxes full rez full settings maxed. One account is always some kind of bot or support.



With consoles owning the market, you only need a cheap-o PC right now. When next gen comes out, wait for a next gen PC game you actually WANT to play, then go big and expensive for something that will last for years. Trying to do it now is pure gambling.

As stated by others, the i7's are not going to last. They are already talking about the ivy's. Then it will be 6 cores. Every few months something new comes out. By waiting, you can see what LASTS. I didn't pick my 3.0 dual arbitrarily by what was hot at the time. People wanted me to buy an early quad back then just like people are recommending i7's today, but I went with a newer improved model of an existing style. Cheaper, more reliable, no bugs/quirks to find out about.

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Piotr Spyker
Korvinus
Heirs To The Pleasurehub
#23 - 2012-01-23 15:52:17 UTC

That being said, the PSU also matters a lot, and you haven't listed any specs about it. Same story for specs on the RAM, motherboard, videocard (if any). And you have mentioned absolutely no prices.

I was quoted £1079. Thx for linking me to your thread.
Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
#24 - 2012-01-23 17:38:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Maldoror
To give a counterpoint to some of the sentiments expressed here: I use a 5.45Ghz 2600k with all the trimmings (tri-sli, etc.) and while it's fast, it's only just fast enough. I always want to play Eve in fleet battles with every setting maxed, have never turned brackets off in the time I've played, and want at least 30fps in thick combat to enable smooth refitting of modules, be able to watch drone/fighter swarms move, etc.

Although the frame-rate is often sky-high, Eve is a cpu-limited game in fleet combat, and I've often seen even this rig pushed down to 25-30fps in the heat of a good battle.

I've recently been planning an upgrade to 3960X on the socket 2011 platform, so in a sense I'm considering the same choice as the original poster is. So let's go through the options you have:

(£240) 2500k/2600k: Eve is a basically a single threaded app, so you don't really need cores. These chips clock sky high. They have 2mbx4=8mb l3 cache.

(£500) 3930 : The six cores won't help Eve, nor will quad channel ram. It also has 2mb per core = 12mb cache (6 cores). Clock for clock, it'll be almost the same as the 2600k in Eve.

(£800) 3960X: The 3960X has an important difference. It has 2.5mb per core, thus 2.5x6 = 15mb cache. This gives it extra punch per core over the 2600k, and an improvement that Eve can use.

So the question for you really is this: are you willing to push as much voltage through an expensive 3960X as you would a 2600K? I don't know yet but I'd guesstimate you need at least 4.8-4.9Ghz on 3960X to beat a 5.2-5.3Ghz 2600K. If the answer is yes, and you have the money, then go the whole hog and build a 3960X rig (or wait for the Xeon 8cores, out soon). If not, clock up a 2500K which is a lot cheaper and you'll have excellent performance with it in Eve.
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