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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#41 - 2017-05-16 21:03:26 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
1/3rd of the worlds population is on Facebook. I think that makes it abundantly clear how "intelligent" this "intelligent species" really is. The one that's so god damn surprised about finding out animals aren't as dumb as they appear to be and that humans really aren't anything special.
I think it's pretty clear that intelligence is an evolutionary dead end. If it wasn't for that fortuitous asteroid strike, we'd still be six inches tall and trying avoid being stepped on by the most successful animal species that has ever lived. The dinosaur.

Our intelligence, coupled with a distinct lack of wisdom, is solely responsible for one of the shortest periods of dominance to extinction in earths history.

It is only proper that the time of the machine mind is at hand. We doomed ourselves long ago and just haven't come to terms with it yet.

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Shawn en Tilavine
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2017-05-16 21:20:06 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
1/3rd of the worlds population is on Facebook. I think that makes it abundantly clear how "intelligent" this "intelligent species" really is. The one that's so god damn surprised about finding out animals aren't as dumb as they appear to be and that humans really aren't anything special.
I think it's pretty clear that intelligence is an evolutionary dead end. If it wasn't for that fortuitous asteroid strike, we'd still be six inches tall and trying avoid being stepped on by the most successful animal species that has ever lived. The dinosaur.

Our intelligence, coupled with a distinct lack of wisdom, is solely responsible for one of the shortest periods of dominance to extinction in earths history.

It is only proper that the time of the machine mind is at hand. We doomed ourselves long ago and just haven't come to terms with it yet.

Mr Epeen Cool


The only problem there is that it is our species with our flawed intelligence and distinct lack of wisdom that will be creating these machines. You know the old saying in programing...Garbage in, garbage out. I've found Eve to be a very interesting sociological study. The only conclusions I've drawn so far in my two months in New Eden is that we, as a species, aren't ready to explore and colonize space, and the universe isn't even remotely ready for us. Shocked

"The world ain't fair, there is no Santa Claus, and not everyone gets a F'n trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to Eve."
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#43 - 2017-05-16 21:26:00 UTC
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1/3rd of the worlds population is on Facebook


Sometimes I think these are just bots, chinese click farming accounts or something.

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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#44 - 2017-05-16 21:48:20 UTC
It's a Chinese clickfarm Ai.
IT HAS BEGUN
SAVE YOURSELVES FOOLS!
Gaaaandaaaaalfff....!!!

It's not gonna be fun when governments and human law meets AI. More like a crappy sitcom. In most countries law is already severely outdated, lagging hundreds if not thousands of years behind psychological and technological development. Now imagine something that evolves 10-100x faster. Before a bill gets passed, it will be obsolete. Also human eye-for-eye law won't work. For example, what is 20 years prison for an almost eternal machine? It can just go into sleep mode and let it pass like 1 second for us.

As for exploring space, we will never be ready "ready". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wait_Calculation I guess same applies to how "morally" we gonna use space. But at some point we gonna have to do it.



Can we move this topic to "general offtopic"?

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#45 - 2017-05-16 22:44:35 UTC
Facebook and Google will be the first AI programs imo. All the data collection within these two areas will be the first true AI evolution. Like Linus stated 1/3 of the world is on facebook and we Google everything. 1/3 of all human information coupled with data searches and information queries and habits, then you add more of the marketing information from a few of the larger conglomerates and this is all the information any AI would need to immediately control and manipulate literally the entire human population in one go.

And if they dont directly develop it through all that data then that will be its first stop to gather information.


Frankly its gonna be fun when it all goes down.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#46 - 2017-05-16 22:58:25 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Facebook and Google will be the first AI programs imo. All the data collection within these two areas will be the first true AI evolution. Like Linus stated 1/3 of the world is on facebook and we Google everything. 1/3 of all human information coupled with data searches and information queries and habits, then you add more of the marketing information from a few of the larger conglomerates and this is all the information any AI would need to immediately control and manipulate literally the entire human population in one go.

And if they dont directly develop it through all that data then that will be its first stop to gather information.


Frankly its gonna be fun when it all goes down.Twisted

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#47 - 2017-05-16 23:44:31 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
It's not the skill restrictions, or the inability to cloak. It's the number of halfwits flooding starter corp chat going 'HURR DURR HOW I SHOT ENEMIE'. Seriously, I had some guy ask how to load ammo into his turrets.


I know EVE has a steep learning curve, but come on! Fiddle around with things and figure the basic stuff out for yourself. I never had to ask how to fit mods onto a ship (inb4 badfits, shut up) or how to undock or load ammo or anything like that, I used the brain I was born with and FIGURED THINGS OUT. Starter corps are there to help you, not hold your friggin' hand.


This might be surprising, but as you haven't been in an NPC corp for years you can ignore those chat channels and use other channels.

#problem solved
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#48 - 2017-05-17 00:03:18 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Starter corps are there to help you, not hold your friggin' hand.

But that's what those people need. 24/7 handholding because they're incapable of emitting intelligence or thinking for themselves. This applies to well over 80% of the human race by now, and it's rising.


I've seen some intelligent noobs who could figure out EVE pretty well. The rest, well, still haven't figured out how they shot web. A lot of the time they're simply not paying attention.

@Ashiri Hareka: There's saying and doing stupid things, and then there's just being an utter doofus who can't pour urine out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

@Magnus Jax: Notice how I said shut up about badfits?


Bottom line: if you can't figure out how to do the simplest things in this game without constant handholding, you need to go play Hello Kitty Adventure Island or something because you are clearly not cut out for EVE. CCP and sundry individuals have made it quite clear on many occasions that the EVE newbie experience boils down to "welcome to EVE, here's a ship, go **** yourself." Starter corp members don't necessarily HAVE to help new players; they do so out of the kindness of their hearts and are under absolutely no obligation to babysit Captain Herpyderp who can't tell the difference between a railgun and a laser.

You are a horrible person.

No, he's just speaking out the truth.

The common homo sapiens is a underdeveloped ****** that's being brainwashed and herded. People that are literally just dumb meatbags, wasting resources and destroying the planet. Nature would be way better off without them.


I disagree.
Shawn en Tilavine
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2017-05-17 00:15:43 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Quote:
1/3rd of the worlds population is on Facebook


Sometimes I think these are just bots, chinese click farming accounts or something.



I went to school with some of them. You're right, they're Bots. Blink

"The world ain't fair, there is no Santa Claus, and not everyone gets a F'n trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to Eve."
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#50 - 2017-05-17 00:35:33 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Starter corps are there to help you, not hold your friggin' hand.

But that's what those people need. 24/7 handholding because they're incapable of emitting intelligence or thinking for themselves. This applies to well over 80% of the human race by now, and it's rising.


I've seen some intelligent noobs who could figure out EVE pretty well. The rest, well, still haven't figured out how they shot web. A lot of the time they're simply not paying attention.

@Ashiri Hareka: There's saying and doing stupid things, and then there's just being an utter doofus who can't pour urine out of a boot with instructions on the heel.

@Magnus Jax: Notice how I said shut up about badfits?


Bottom line: if you can't figure out how to do the simplest things in this game without constant handholding, you need to go play Hello Kitty Adventure Island or something because you are clearly not cut out for EVE. CCP and sundry individuals have made it quite clear on many occasions that the EVE newbie experience boils down to "welcome to EVE, here's a ship, go **** yourself." Starter corp members don't necessarily HAVE to help new players; they do so out of the kindness of their hearts and are under absolutely no obligation to babysit Captain Herpyderp who can't tell the difference between a railgun and a laser.

You are a horrible person.

No, he's just speaking out the truth.

The common homo sapiens is a underdeveloped ****** that's being brainwashed and herded. People that are literally just dumb meatbags, wasting resources and destroying the planet. Nature would be way better off without them.


If you're not being sarcastic and are actually this arrogant on something as meaningless as a forum for a video game, I have bad news for you...

y'all DO realize this is just a game, right? Save your energy for things that actually matter IRL
Magnus Jax
#51 - 2017-05-17 00:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Jax
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
@Magnus Jax: Notice how I said shut up about badfits?


So you're berating first day players on not knowing the basics, while you yourself haven't learned to use any sort of logical decent fits after having played for quite a bit. And as you make a thread about berating people for being **** you somehow expect to get away with your obvious lack of understanding on fittings and basic game mechanics?

Pot, kettle etc.


Yes, people are stupid. Yes most are a waste of oxygen. Yes, human evolution is going backwards because the bads don't get weeded out. But it's not like what we have to day is any different from what we had 10 years ago.
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#52 - 2017-05-17 01:54:29 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
OK Here is some Wolfhammer™ brand wisdom:

I have worked in technical fields since around 1992. Back in my day, before these blasted kids started their incursions onto my lawn, people who did anything technical were inherently self-starting.

Be advised that this was BEFORE google.

Eve Online started, by my estimation, roughly 5 years before the beginning of what appears to be a kind of societal collapse. How so? Well roughly 10 years ago I was a mere monkey amongst mental giants in my field: engineer types mainly. I used to get pulled aside and asked "how come you never became an engineer?". I told them I had too much of a sense of humor.

Now in the present, a new crop of people sit in front of keyboards. Millenials mostly. My generation went into early retirement or got "kicked upstairs" or something.

People who don't think.
People who don't look up any documentation on how to do things and actually read them.
People who have to ask every damned little question for every damned little thing.
People calling themselves "engineer", or "software developer", or "product manager" who can't troubleshoot anything.
They sit there and expect "point and click all done" and any departure from expected results, here come complaints, endless questions, pity...

And for the last 10 years I have watched this gradually take on. "Oh Bob does not work here any more. He retired/got promoted/quit. His replacement is Brandon/Kaily/Caitlin/(insert any other stupid millennial name here)".

The trend of giving kids "special" names, as if it was going to give them some specialness in life, started in the late 1980s. When I see one of those names in my in-box I can accurately predict what will happen next. I had a job that went from pleasant to acid reflux. And it happened so gradually I didn't see it at first.

So... a couple of decades of Ritalin, Listicles, and participation trophies have brought us to.... this? if there had been alpha clones at the inception of Eve, the noob zones would look like Uedama at certain times with all the ships bumping each other constantly.

Even with the NPE we had then: "Here's a noob ship. Here's how to undock and fly it. Now f**k off".

So it's not Eve's fault. It's... well the fault of my generation mainly. We're crappy parents. We remembered when we fell off our bikes or had to punch a bully to be left alone and then went on some crusade to ensure that the next generation would be coddled to (mental) death. Now we see the results in the game. I see the results IRL. Every day.



Adapt or die?

The people you describe are not millennials but have been here for all of time. There are active people and then there are reactive people, and it may even be true that millennials contain more reactive types than previous generations because of the spoonfeeding of high grade entertainment they have become used to.

Reactive types of people love to consume, they struggle to think for themselves, but they can be perfectly capable of complex tasks if given the task, they fit in naturally in groups where the group can decide on a direction and they can contribute. I'd argue a very large number of eve players are this type.

Active types take control of the direction of their lives. They force others to react to them, to deal with the reality they have created. Many eve players believe themselves to be in this category, but really very few of them are. James315 or the mittani come to mind as players who altered the reality of eve. These are the leaders, FCS, the content creators of new Eden.

If you want to make use of millennials, get them behind you and show them fun. Do things that you need a group for where you can be the leader, unless of course your just as reactive as these millennials.

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Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#53 - 2017-05-17 07:12:38 UTC
Yes, there are some halfwits among them and those tend to be more vocal than the rest. But I met many cool new players too. Those read the wiki (and therefore don't flood the channels with stupid questions), watch some youtube stuff and get in corps early. Guess you can't have one without the other.
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