Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Awesome idea, more realism (like police irl, hunts baddies everywhere) but than make concord killable and possible to defend from. Very hard, but possible. Atm. they have infinite stats compared to player ships.

Awesome idea, more realism (like police irl, hunts baddies everywhere) but than make concord killable and possible to defend from. Very hard, but possible. Atm. they have infinite stats compared to player ships.

For the OP
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4972885#post4972885

Aside from Concord not actually being a Police force but more of a UN type organisation; the Police would be the Faction Police, you can already evade or beat them.

Anyways, more RL police like activities you say?

Random response times varying from minutes to days, if at all.
Corrupt police officers on the take from criminals.
An arrest rate much lower than the current 100%.
Officers confiscating high value items for "investigative reasons".

Sounds good right?

They can enter into any nearby station and escape harm or retribution from everyone, even Concord, until the Criminal timer is removed and then they can repeat the process all over again.

There is only ONE way for you to 'Defend' against that in High Sec, and that's to be in a Corp, and have the Corp or Alliance declare war on the Corp or Alliance that the Ganker is in.

However, they can very easily just leave their Corps, forced into a NPC Corp that you can not declare war on, and freely go about untouched. Because as soon as you try to stop them, YOU become the Criminal and killed by Concord.

Most of the Restricts are already in the game. I just wish to extend the Restrictions to not leave till they lose their Criminal Status by Death of the Player/Pod. Not by a very short timer.

Suicide ganking without profit just to **** off people and upset them shouldn't be part of the game. There is no reward, no benifit. Just a bunch of players being Bullies and exploiting the game so that legit players not wanting to become criminals can do nothing about it.

I do have a Kill Right on him, but not on his Alt. And whats more, the Kill Right would only give 1 free kill, and after that it's back to square 1, of not being able to defend against him till he attacks and kills someone first to be triggered as a Criminal.

Also to others, I know my 'Changes' are not perfect, so why not bring up suggestions to make it better?

And if you say nothing needs to change, then either you don't play in High Sec, or you are blind.

You say there is no problem, and yet every person I have ever talked about in High Sec about CODE hates them and says there is a problem.

Another thing I keep pointing out tho, is that what CODE does is NOT Piracy. They aren't Ganking people for Profit, they don't have a friend or alt there to loot the bodies. They kill Miners to install fear in the belief that they rule over High Sec, no one else.

While yes, losing my Retriever is what triggered me bringing this up to the Forums, it isn't just me I am 'Crying About'. I was not afk, and was with a fleet of 7 people, including 3 other miners and 2 escort to protect us since CODE was in the system.

However, because you can not attack someone until they attacked and became criminals first, my Corp members could only watch helplessly as I reacted too late to try and warp out before I was killed, turning the CODE member a criminal finally, and THEN be able to be attacked.

Another thing I keep pointing out tho, is that what CODE does is NOT Piracy. They aren't Ganking people for Profit, they don't have a friend or alt there to loot the bodies. They kill Miners to install fear in the belief that they rule over High Sec, no one else. And isn't it just the tiniest little bit ****** up that they can run around unchallenged in High Sec, where as in Low, Null, or WH Corps would be able to shut them down instantly?

CODE, the ability that they exist and can do this at all, shows that High Sec is broken, and needs change. And the changes I added in, as I stated before, Were already in the game, they exist already. The Devs would just need to change how they were set up.

And so players like Hiasa Kite who say things like: "Then stop them, you have the tools at your disposal." I would love to point out that you say we can stop them, that we have the tools, but you never say HOW we can actually STOP THEM, and not just use a Tanking Miner or run away scared when they show up, because that doesn't stop them. That just gives them what they want, Control over High Sec.

How about you actually tell us what we can do to 'Stop Them', and what 'Tools' we can use. Cause I've already pointed out that most normal tools at our disposal won't work. And using a Tanking Ship in the end won't work, because since they don't care about the lose of their ships, they will just bring in more bigger and powerful ships to kill you.

Code wasn't a problem 15 years ago, and the rules in High Sec wasn't as exploited now as it was back then. I point out a problem, I give a solution. And while you tell me my solution is bad and wrong, you give nothing in it's place.

They exploit that they can lose and replace ships for free using alts to fund them while new players would not have access to that.

Warping in a Pod is near instant, and they can freely warp away from their destroyed ship without fear of ever being targeted and killed.

They can enter into any nearby station and escape harm or retribution from everyone, even Concord, until the Criminal timer is removed and then they can repeat the process all over again.

There is only ONE way for you to 'Defend' against that in High Sec, and that's to be in a Corp, and have the Corp or Alliance declare war on the Corp or Alliance that the Ganker is in. However, they can very easily just leave their Corps, forced into a NPC Corp that you can not declare war on, and freely go about untouched. Because as soon as you try to stop them, YOU become the Criminal and killed by Concord.

It is a loophole in the games system that they exploit to get around punishment in any form.

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Suicide ganking without profit just to **** off people and upset them shouldn't be part of the game. There is no reward, no benifit. Just a bunch of players being Bullies and exploiting the game so that legit players not wanting to become criminals can do nothing about it.

Legit players, and new players get punished for no reason, and the gankers gain nothing but the ability to become terrorists and the ability to keep doing it again and again.

Here is literally something they can do, but surprised I haven't witnessed them doing.

They can buy a bunch of ganking ships, fit them all up, and then move them all into a High Sec system they want to Terrorize and 'Control' in the case of CODE. Then they go out in their ganking ship, kill a player and lose their ship, Warp back to their station, wait out the Timer and then go out in a new ship instantly to repeat within a few minutes. And if he leaves his Corp for this time period, Corps and Alliances would not be able to War him to be able to attack him before he suicides kills his victum and them warps back to station unharmed once again.

There is NOTHING to prevent this from happening. Just 'Losing the Ship' is the only punishment, but when they can be replaced so easily, especially with an alt loaded with money, or having a lot of IRL money to spend on PLEX to sell for in game money, losing a ship just isn't enough of a punishment. Even them being killed in a pod wouldn't be a punishment. They lose NOTHING, but the victims lose EVERYTHING. It is NOT a FAIR system.

This is, ultimately down to it's core, what I want. For the system to be FAIR. In Low Sec, Null, and WH ganking is not cried about or cared about, because it's FAIR in those system. But in High Sec, the system is stacked in the Ganker's favor and totally unfair. They aren't even pirates, they don't make any money from these ganking, they don't salvage or steal the loot from the corpses. These are, at their most basic, Terrorist attacks against players.