Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Changes done In High Sec ONLY. Star Systems from 0.5 to 1.0 rating.

'Criminals' can not use any Gates in High Sec, nor leading TO High Sec while in a POD (They can still use gates in normal ships), and will get shot immediately on sight by Concord and hunted within 10 seconds of entering a High Sec system, with the 'Count Down' NOT resetting even going through a new gate into a new High Sec system. They can, however, escape through Wormholes, and enter into High Sec through Wormholes.

'Criminals', and those with Negative Standing are no longer able to Dock in a station in High Sec, no matter if they are in a Ship or in a Pod. Criminals will be in effect in every High Sec system, while Negative Standing would only match the systems matching their Negative Standing. So 0 standing, means they can't enter stations in 1.0 system, while -3 standing can't enter stations in 0.7, 0.8, 0.9, and 1.0. With the last, -5 standing, being unable to Dock in any Station in High Sec at all. This means even if they own the station themselves or their corp owns it they will not be able to enter.

More importantly tho, 'Criminal' status, will NOT be removed, till the PLAYER/POD is killed. You can no longer wait out a timer, you HAVE to be killed fully to lose your criminal status.

Suspect Status no longer has a timer either, and instead works as a 3 strike system. Susp players will no longer be hostile and kill able for free. However, they can not lose Susp Status, even if they get podded and the player killed. And when they do 3 'Susp Status' worthy things, they get turned into a Criminal instantly, and follow the rules above.

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And as noted as above, this would effect High Sec system, and NOT Low Sec, Null, or WH space. Except the changes to how Criminal and Suspect status works, that's a global change and one for the better. Why would a Susp or Criminal just lose their criminal status by hiding in a station for a short while? But the changes to what Criminals can do in High Sec, namely Gate use while in a Pod, and unable to enter stations while Criminals or Negative Standing, would of course only happen in High Sec.

It never made sense why a Ganker could just get blasted to their pod, then Warp out of the system through Concord controlled Gates, or into non Criminal Stations allowed to be in Concord's High Sec Controlled Systems and just magically stop being a 'Criminal' over time. They should be turned away by Stations for being Criminals, requests to dock denied, and unable to access Gates controlled by Concord while in a pod in High Sec where they are ever watchful. Pods are already over powered enough in High Sec by instant warping before you can even lock on to Warp Scramble them.

My changes above would fix a lot of problem with the game in High Sec, it would not fix all of them of course, and would still let Criminals that want to Terrorize High Sec, the ability to live in Wormholes with a Static Exit leading to High Sec to 'Invade' and retreat from. And there are plenty of Wormholes in High Sec they can easily scan one down, bookmark it, then go gank someone and escape into the Wormhole.

This will keep High Sec players on their toes about the Anomalies in their system in case there is a Wormhole, and for Corps in high sec to patrol inside the Wormhole while it lasts to prevent Criminals from coming in that way, and to catch them if they try to leave.

And yes, I know this doesn't fix 1 issue. Namely whats stopping criminals from losing their ships and instead of waiting in a station for X time to lose criminal status, just have Concord blow up their pod to lose criminal status and come back from their base and redo the same thing again, especially if their base is nearby. There is only 3 ways I can think of 'Fixing' this.

First in changing 2 things. Each time you become a Criminal, you lose down a Negative level. So even if you were Standing 10, go criminal and instantly your Standing is 0, then go criminal again and it goes to -1, then -2, and from -2.5 to -3.5 and so on. And second thing, is that when you are at -5.0 or below, you Permanently become 'Criminal' status unless you raise your standing to -4.9 or above and get killed in a pod. This will of course not stop them from making alts to keep getting around Negative Standing issues, which is against ToS but they don't care and CCP isn't going to notice or care.

^ This will mean they would get at most 6 free shots before instantly becoming a criminal and as soon as they step out of the station, attackable by everyone nearby and players can guard against them. This will mean tho, that Criminals would be trapped in that station and unable to leave as he will be Permanently a criminal and unable to leave the station without a player killing him and sending him back to the station, back to square 1.

Second, have it so when they lose access to stations in High Sec do to them being Criminal or Negative Standings, it removes their clones from the stations they can't access anymore, and have to set their 'Home Station' and clones into a Station they can enter. If they turn Criminal, and had a single clone in a high sec station and it got cancled now, then when they die, they respawn into a random Station in Low or Null sec that they can enter. With the complimentary Faction beginning ship of course, like you always get when you enter a station with just a Pod.

^ This will make it so Criminals can't just stick their home base into a High Sec system they want to Terrorize, then constantly kill people, respawn and get into a new ship before going out instantly to repeat. It will force them back to Low or Null sec, and force them to get into a new ship and fly back. --->

0/10, too obvious. Put more effort into plausibility and less into sheer volume of trolling.

I have read it, and it's so funny. Especially this part here.



The thing is, Concord does NOT punish criminals. Destroying their ships, doesn't punish them. Even a child can see that. Taking away a toy, just means they have to go get a new one.

I am not asking for Protection. I am asking to punish Criminals more harshly in High Sec, where Concord is meant to have total control and be in full force.

If you read what I stated, I pointed out how it makes no sense, no matter how you twist it around, that a Criminal is able to request permission to dock into a station controlled and there under Concord Rules and Regulations, and have the request granted and allowed into the station 100% guaranteed. With it being the same with using Gate regulated and controlled by Concord.

Read what the changes I stated does. It makes Concord more active, and gives players more abilities to police themselves unlike now.

How the game is right now, is being exploited by members of CODE to abuse players in High Sec. They lose a ship killing someone, then warp to a station instantly and wait out the Criminal Status timer before doing it all over again. You can not attack them first as that makes you the Criminal and get killed by Concord instead. They get to attack and kill first for free before being 'Punished' with a slap on the wrist.

My changes would make the 'Criminal' status an actual effect in the game that has meaning in High Sec. Concord would not just sit around on their asses while a Criminal just walks all over them and their systems. They would actually hunt down the Criminal, prevent him from leaving, and prevent him from going into stations in their systems.

But it would not destroy criminals or 100% protect players in High Sec. Like I pointed out, Wormholes are all over in High Sec, popping up all over the place. And what my changes does, is give Criminals and Gankers, like Code, more incentive to live in a Wormhole with a Static Wormhole Exit into High Sec to invade from. And this would give players and Corps in High Sec the ability to police and fight back, guarding Wormhole Entrances, and even going inside to try and kill the Criminals living in them.

Also pointed out that other than little blanked tweaks that couldn't be helped, Low, Null, and Wormholes would not change at all, only High Sec would, and it would change to be more realistic to how a Government controlling their cities would operate.

Making highsec safer is not in the best interest of the game. In a player driven sandbox with a player driven economy there can be no reward without risk. If ships didn't die, there would be no demand for new ships and no demand for the minerals to build them.

CONCORD is reactive not proactive. They do not prevent crime, they make sure that shooting people in highsec isn't free - there is a price. Predators in Eve, as in real life tend to prey on the weak and the careless. Follow a few simple rules and you can mine or haul safely - not 100% safely but probable as safe as your daily routine in real life.

I disagree. Have you ever played a game called Face of Mankind? THAT was a player driven sandbox game, with a player driven Economy. And a situation like CODE would not be possible. Do you know why? Cause the 'Police', where players and actually doing their job enforcing laws.

For this game to truly be Player Driven Open Sandbox, there wouldn't be a Concord NPC police system. PLAYERS would be running High Sec, and able to punish criminals how they see fit.

Take Face of Mankind for example since I brought it up. The police Faction, which was all players, there was not a single NPC in the game anyways, were able to set their own rules for punishing criminals. The players could set and do ANYTHING they wanted in the game.

Eve Online doesn't work like that. The Devs put in Concord to police the High Sec area. Even if it's not to PROTECT the players, it IS a POLICE force, enforcing rules on the High Sec system. But Criminals and Gankers can circumvent those 'Punishments' easily without consequences at all. They are literally exploiting systems in the game to get a benefit over other players and to hide from consequences. But players, can do nothing against it without becoming Gankers and Criminals themselves.

The Devs have the power to change that, and it wouldn't even be that hard. The systems I wanted are IN THE GAME even, but are not implimented far enough to fix a loophole found years ago and exploited to death to terrorize High Sec and New Players to the game.

If you can not see that Gankers like CODE is a problem for the game, then you are blind. And if you think High Sec should be as lawless as Low Sec and Null, you are even more blind and worse for the game than CODE ever will be.

Wow, you must be really mad for your untanked retriever loss...

Anyways. Comparing different games doesn't really give your ideas any merits. Different games have different design philosophies. Eve is harsher than most games. You can also diminish your chances of getting ganked by your own actions and being alert.

I suggested something like this already

just one suggestion: if you ever will be suggesting something like this, do not use words like "make highsec more secure" that will automatically get dislikes

Shiptoasters like this should be permanently hunted by CONCORD everywhere in game. And they should be vulnerable to any and all players too.

Awesome idea, more realism (like police irl, hunts baddies everywhere) but than make concord killable and possible to defend from. Very hard, but possible. Atm. they have infinite stats compared to player ships.