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Ante up
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-05-15 22:09:25 UTC
I've just logged back in after a 3 year hiatus. Things seem to have changed a bit though since my Jita station trading days - could I ask for a few pointers?

Citadels

These are new to me. Although I have seen some articles on how to reduce taxes by offshoring in Perimeter, sheer numbers (1400+) indicate that most people have chosen to stay in Jita, despite the high NPC taxes. Is that correct? What is making Citadels so unnattractive?

Market data

I used to have some spreadsheet tools driven off eve-marketdata, which seems to be down. Do people still use spreadsheets? What source are people using for price and volume data and does anyone have simple google sheet with the appropriate market API calls? I'd like to find a model to adapt to my needs.

Thanks for your help
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#2 - 2017-05-15 23:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
You don't have to be docked in a station/structure to create an order in it, the Procurement skill enables you to place remote buy orders. See http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Thoraemond/eve-trading-skills-for-remote-orders-20101217.png for more info.

The easiest way to pull market data in a Google spreadsheet is by using https://github.com/nuadi/googlecrestscript, but eve-central and eve-marketdata are still around, plus some others.

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Ante up
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-05-16 00:50:11 UTC
Thanks for the CREST fed sheet. It is exactly what I was looking for.


However, I'm still a little confused about the Procurement mechanics.

My understanding is that Procurement, Marketing and Daytrading allow traders to sit in citadels near Jita and benefit from:


  1. the liquidity of Jita
  2. the lower tax rates of the citadels.


However, what I observe are a huge concentration of traders in Jita, and a relatively modest (though significant) number of traders in the surrounding citadels.

Either I simply don't understand the procurement mechanics or there is something else going on that explains why the majority of the traders are still in Jita itself.
Krysenth
Saints Of Havoc
#4 - 2017-05-16 04:30:57 UTC
Ante up wrote:
Thanks for the CREST fed sheet. It is exactly what I was looking for.


However, I'm still a little confused about the Procurement mechanics.

My understanding is that Procurement, Marketing and Daytrading allow traders to sit in citadels near Jita and benefit from:


  1. the liquidity of Jita
  2. the lower tax rates of the citadels.


However, what I observe are a huge concentration of traders in Jita, and a relatively modest (though significant) number of traders in the surrounding citadels.

Either I simply don't understand the procurement mechanics or there is something else going on that explains why the majority of the traders are still in Jita itself.


procurement, if i'm understanding correctly, allows you to remotely set buy orders for a particular location as if you were docked in that location.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#5 - 2017-05-16 06:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cista2
Tax benefits are on the buy orders only. So you set your buy orders in the citadel and your sell orders in Jita. The buy orders are usually *filled* in Jita, i.e. almost all your stuff is still in Jita.

You can sit either in Jita or in the citadel. Most people prefer sitting in Jita, where you have a better overview of your inventory.

I actually prefer sitting in the citadel and avoid lag, then transport the odd stuff that was bought, back into Jita once per day. I never even use the remote buying option although I could.

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#6 - 2017-05-16 08:42:32 UTC
In reply to your first question - Citadel markets have 2 challenges it will take time to overcome.

1. Market fragmentation. People will pay a premium for 1 stop shopping. Even Hek, where there are citadel markets in system, most business flows through the station.

2. Citadels can be destroyed, the owners can forget to fuel the structure or they can change permissions to prevent you, or your customers, from docking. Stuff is protected by asset safety but you will lose time and any brokerage you have paid.

Right now we seem to be in the reputation building phase where people who own chains of Citadels/Engineering Complexes are trying to convince the rest of us they are safe places to do business.
Punisher Ofara
Amar Adventurers
#7 - 2017-05-17 08:01:08 UTC
Do Little wrote:


Right now we seem to be in the reputation building phase where people who own chains of Citadels/Engineering Complexes are trying to convince the rest of us they are safe places to do business.


On that note, have we established yet which Citadel chains are trustworthy or could become significant players in the market, long term? I wish PricewaterhouseCoopers guys from real life would set up such a chain. Lol
Jeronica
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#8 - 2017-05-17 13:00:56 UTC
Punisher Ofara wrote:
Do Little wrote:


Right now we seem to be in the reputation building phase where people who own chains of Citadels/Engineering Complexes are trying to convince the rest of us they are safe places to do business.


On that note, have we established yet which Citadel chains are trustworthy or could become significant players in the market, long term? I wish PricewaterhouseCoopers guys from real life would set up such a chain. Lol


Mogul is building hub Sotiyos to do just this. We aim to not just be an offshoring platform for RMT, but to offer an actual market as well.

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#9 - 2017-05-17 15:03:57 UTC
Jeronica wrote:
Punisher Ofara wrote:
Do Little wrote:


Right now we seem to be in the reputation building phase where people who own chains of Citadels/Engineering Complexes are trying to convince the rest of us they are safe places to do business.


On that note, have we established yet which Citadel chains are trustworthy or could become significant players in the market, long term? I wish PricewaterhouseCoopers guys from real life would set up such a chain. Lol


Mogul is building hub Sotiyos to do just this. We aim to not just be an offshoring platform for RMT, but to offer an actual market as well.


Well, I never checked but I was wondering who was behind Mogul, now I know, thanks for the markets.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-05-17 15:25:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Punisher Ofara wrote:
Do Little wrote:


Right now we seem to be in the reputation building phase where people who own chains of Citadels/Engineering Complexes are trying to convince the rest of us they are safe places to do business.


On that note, have we established yet which Citadel chains are trustworthy or could become significant players in the market, long term? I wish PricewaterhouseCoopers guys from real life would set up such a chain. Lol

If you want to support free trade in the long run, place your off shoring buy orders in "Planet V" brand citadels. Current Forge hub is located in Maurasi. See the corresponding thread in this section, for the cause and drama (aka fun Smile) behind.

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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#11 - 2017-05-17 15:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
Punisher Ofara wrote:
Do Little wrote:


Right now we seem to be in the reputation building phase where people who own chains of Citadels/Engineering Complexes are trying to convince the rest of us they are safe places to do business.


On that note, have we established yet which Citadel chains are trustworthy or could become significant players in the market, long term? I wish PricewaterhouseCoopers guys from real life would set up such a chain. Lol

As mentioned, the Planet V Trade hubs are the only major hubs which guarantee a low public broker fee of 0.1%, and a permanent 0.0% supporters rate. Supporting Planet V Trade is the best way to guarantee low broker fees and a fair service in the long term.

We are also the longest running market operation, having been around soon after citadels were initially released onto Tranquillity.

For more information this is our official thread - Planet V Trade