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Eve Online and The Mandela Effect
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Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-05-14 13:51:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomistrav
(( Important to understand what the Mandela Effect is, so here goes:

"The 'Mandela Effect' is what happens when someone has a clear, personal memory of something that never happened in this reality. Many of us — mostly total strangers — remember several of the exact same events with the exact same details. However, our memories are different from what’s in history books, newspaper archives, and so on."

An example of the Mandela Effect would be how pretty much everyone was convinced it was 'The BerenstEin Bears' and not the 'BerenstAin' bears or how Hannibal Lector said, "Hello, Clarice" - except he never actually said that in the movie ))

So, one of my favorite indie games to play on Steam is called 'Project Aura' - and they just released a new update yesterday, so you best believe I jumped all onboard that. Now, after playing for a good while, I almost went on a tirade in the Support Tickets because I legitimately thought they stole music from Eve Online and used it in their game. It sounded so familiar that I actually thought I left Eve running in the background somehow, but that wasn't the case.

So, I tinkered around with the files and discovered what is vaguely titled: '9' in the mp3 files. Conveniently, however, there was a Notepad file that said 'License', so I figured I'd read that. Accordingly, the devs for this game used the music under Creative Commons 3.0, and a little research points to an author named 'Stellardrone'.

Did a bit of searching on youtube, and found out the song: https://youtu.be/SN3mTAHrp90

Now, I was 100% convinced that this was a track in Eve Online - I was almost positive that I remember hearing this before. In fact, it is -SO- familiar that someone else made a comment in the youtube link saying they heard it in Eve Online as well. So, I shared the link with some corp-mates and THEY TOO were convinced that the music came from Jon Hallur/Eve Online as well.

Problem is? We can't seem to find that song anywhere in Eve Online's tracklist. Twelve hours of ambient music later, and I'm seriously questioning my sanity. Few corp mates said it -kinda- sounds like 'Times of Sanguinity' ( https://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/eve-online-times-of-sanguinity ), but I don't think so.

I figured the only option left was to make an ass of myself on the forums, and maybe see if this is isolated to me and my corp or if anyone else tends to agree here - or better yet, knows WHY this song sounds so damned familiar.

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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#2 - 2017-05-14 14:27:00 UTC
You are not insane, I too find it very similar.
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http://youtu.be/drwEFdOafro Jon Hallur - Seek and You Shall Find


The stellardome ost you found sounds like some sort of remix with bass removed. Or a genuine stand-alone song that sounds insanely similar.

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Tamazaki
Doomheim
#3 - 2017-05-14 14:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamazaki
It's a very generic chord progression, so it's going to sound familiar.

But, the chord progression is extremely similar to My Other Residency. I believe this will solve your mystery. (skip to 48 seconds)

In fact, it is the same progression, in exactly the same key.

And what Stellardrone has also done is use a similar method of rhythmic chords as heard on Last Power Cell (skip to 47 seconds).

Not that I'm accusing him directly of stealing those two elements and combining them into his track... perhaps some 'unconscious borrowing' has occurred Blink
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Doomheim
#4 - 2017-05-14 14:44:31 UTC
stealth Stellardrone plug detected.




But then, I've liked his music for a while so I'm cool with that! Blink
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#5 - 2017-05-14 14:46:33 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
(( Important to understand what the Mandela Effect is, so here goes:

"The 'Mandela Effect' is what happens when someone has a clear, personal memory of something that never happened in this reality. Many of us — mostly total strangers — remember several of the exact same events with the exact same details. However, our memories are different from what’s in history books, newspaper archives, and so on."

An example of the Mandela Effect would be how pretty much everyone was convinced it was 'The BerenstEin Bears' and not the 'BerenstAin' bears or how Hannibal Lector said, "Hello, Clarice" - except he never actually said that in the movie ))

So, one of my favorite indie games to play on Steam is called 'Project Aura' - and they just released a new update yesterday, so you best believe I jumped all onboard that. Now, after playing for a good while, I almost went on a tirade in the Support Tickets because I legitimately thought they stole music from Eve Online and used it in their game. It sounded so familiar that I actually thought I left Eve running in the background somehow, but that wasn't the case.

So, I tinkered around with the files and discovered what is vaguely titled: '9' in the mp3 files. Conveniently, however, there was a Notepad file that said 'License', so I figured I'd read that. Accordingly, the devs for this game used the music under Creative Commons 3.0, and a little research points to an author named 'Stellardrone'.

Did a bit of searching on youtube, and found out the song: https://youtu.be/SN3mTAHrp90

Now, I was 100% convinced that this was a track in Eve Online - I was almost positive that I remember hearing this before. In fact, it is -SO- familiar that someone else made a comment in the youtube link saying they heard it in Eve Online as well. So, I shared the link with some corp-mates and THEY TOO were convinced that the music came from Jon Hallur/Eve Online as well.

Problem is? We can't seem to find that song anywhere in Eve Online's tracklist. Twelve hours of ambient music later, and I'm seriously questioning my sanity. Few corp mates said it -kinda- sounds like 'Times of Sanguinity' ( https://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/eve-online-times-of-sanguinity ), but I don't think so.

I figured the only option left was to make an ass of myself on the forums, and maybe see if this is isolated to me and my corp or if anyone else tends to agree here - or better yet, knows WHY this song sounds so damned familiar.


Sounds like someone seriously inspired himself after "My other residency" from the EO soundtrack... Roll
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#6 - 2017-05-14 15:04:11 UTC
Tamazaki wrote:
It's a very generic chord progression, so it's going to sound familiar.

But, the chord progression is extremely similar to My Other Residency. I believe this will solve your mystery. (skip to 48 seconds)

In fact, it is the same progression, in exactly the same key.

And what Stellardrone has also done is use a similar method of rhythmic chords as heard on Last Power Cell (skip to 47 seconds).

Not that I'm accusing him directly of stealing those two elements and combining them into his track... perhaps some 'unconscious borrowing' has occurred Blink

Unannounced "Sampling" ftw. I agree with this sentiment. Years ago we called it "acquiring", not stealing, not borrowing with no intent of returning.... "acquiring."Blink

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#7 - 2017-05-14 18:10:43 UTC
Maxim Corvinus
Royal Armaments
#8 - 2017-05-14 18:29:04 UTC
It doesn't even remotely sound like an EVE track. Chords might be similar at some point, then again that goes for 98% of music where it'll sound similar to something else.

The instruments used and mixing aren't similar to EVE's tracks.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#9 - 2017-05-14 22:26:56 UTC
Sometimes I worry that we'll reach a point where all good melodies have already been done before.

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Sigma Special Tactics Group
#10 - 2017-05-15 02:41:23 UTC
When I was a kid back in the 1970s we would get taken the planetarium.

The music they played there is exactly what the music of Eve is derived from.

Hence it's not relatively new or unique music. It was simply a style associated with space, going back now 40 years.

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#11 - 2017-05-15 17:17:01 UTC
It's good space ambient music. It's similar to the music in EvE, but it's not from EvE.


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#12 - 2017-05-15 17:29:46 UTC
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Sadario
Know-Nothings
Negative Feedback
#13 - 2017-05-16 02:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sadario
I had this exact feeling with the Nine Inch Nails-track 'A Warm Place' (Here). I'm still convinced I heard that in EVEs soundtrack at some point.
Obsidian Blacke
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2017-05-16 19:47:04 UTC
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#15 - 2017-05-17 18:48:39 UTC
Tamazaki wrote:
It's a very generic chord progression, so it's going to sound familiar.

But, the chord progression is extremely similar to My Other Residency. I believe this will solve your mystery. (skip to 48 seconds)

In fact, it is the same progression, in exactly the same key.

And what Stellardrone has also done is use a similar method of rhythmic chords as heard on Last Power Cell (skip to 47 seconds).

Not that I'm accusing him directly of stealing those two elements and combining them into his track... perhaps some 'unconscious borrowing' has occurred Blink


Pretty sure this is conscious copying of the chords. You can say that the chord progression is generic, and to an extent that's true due to how few chords exist. But not the voicing. The chord voicing has a lot more options he could have chosen, but did not. This isn't coincidence.

A nitpicky point of clarification, folks, this is not sampling. That artist's song doesn't have any fingerprints of recording, and the synth patches are different. He synthesized it himself. He just very likely did it while looking directly at Eve's music during composition. Getting this similar in so many ways takes quite a bit of conscious effort.

On the other hand, this does arguably fall within the purview of common remix culture, where you take something good about a song, and re-contextualize it for different effect, or refine it for greater focus, sounding purposefully similar as a result. In that regard, I can't fully fault him for focusing in on those chords he liked so much.