Skill Discussions

After almost ten years, you cannot expect to come back to the same game. So all you have to do is inform yourself about the new situation and build a setup that works for what you want to do with todays mechanics and tools.

The orca was never a free lunch. It's just another annotation on the list of expenses in order to mine. The availability of boost usually someone is charging fo the boost and if they aren't it's a tip the driver mentality. Most the time the orca pilot ends up eat up the very bonuses you are getting.

Rubbish..

I've been mining in all areas of space for just about 5 years..

Not once in all that time have I ever been asked for isk or ore or anything to receive any boosts, nor have I heard of anyone being charged, nor have I ever charged for boosts regardless of which ship I'm using.

I don't believe a word you're saying.

Jeshaus Gawd this thread made my brain hurt.


@VKMceo did you write this on your 2001 Nokia flip phone? I can't remember the last time I saw someone spend so much time writing down their thoughts and so little time making sure what they said made sense.

I have two alts currently training Leadership skills.

I assure you that Battlecruiser usage is alive and well. For example, CO2 has two NEW doctrines: Drakes (yes, really) and Hurricanes. Also, my CO2 alt earns a living building Battlecruisers.

Battlecruisers are quite amazing now that they can boost themselves. Same applies to all three mining command ships.

Command Destroyers are one of the ships of choice for solo and small-gang harassment of enemies in their home territory. A corpmate uses a Bifrost solo, and has racked-up a huge amount of kills.

I understand what you mean Tau, I don't have a problem with command bursts, same as links before, they have their useful areas.
My problem is the passives, 10% shield, 10% armor and so on, they are completely gone.
They were the main reason I trained these skills as they could be applied to a fleet of any size, they were a great investment... Comparing to now, the nerf bat hit hard, they are edge case, BC doctrines as you mention, honestly it's a fleet style I don't like, as with any other large doctrine fleet, I much prefer a mixed small-medium sized roam full of chaos and explosions.
So I can solo in a Command Destroyer, as you mention, I would probably enjoy that, but again, edge case. Having an entire skill group go from awesome in any situation to this... it's not okay, they should have refunded the skill points so people had the option to invest them in a playstyle that fits them.

On a side-note, having the skill group called "Fleet Support" and the only, for me, useful application is solo CD... oh the irony :D

I boost in an Orca and or Porpoise and other than having a huge ore bay in the Orca it's slow and takes forever to get in to warp. I actually prefer the Porpoise in Null since the boosting is just barely under the Orca.

Example I have all boosting and ship skills to level 5. I have another toon in a hulk (T2 everything fit for ice mining) with the all level 5 skills as well, plus the ice harvesting implant.


With the Porpoise when I am boosting my cycle time on the hulk is 36.5 seconds. I bring out the Orca and boost again and the cycle time is 35.5 seconds. Other then having a hell of a lot more storage the Porpoise is boosting just as well. Compared to the ISK in ship/fitting it's a no brainer on what ship to use.

Orca to align and warp out is just over 30 seconds! The Porpoise is just under 6 seconds. My booster actually warps out faster than my hulk does.

When I was in HS, I use again, this toon for boosting in a command ship which has amazing tank, and decent DPS. I would multibox 3-5 accounts and do level 4 missions. I preferred the command ship and spider tanking domi's and assign all the drones to my booster to follow his DPS.

I have also done that in null anoms as well. I understand that you are saying about the passive old bonuses that is why I also trained leadership skills years ago but the on-grid boosting is actually much better. I was angry at first until I actually tried it and I do like it better.

If you need to boost in L1/L2 missions then they shouldn't be in there running them yet. I used to run level 4's solo with no boosts or help in my trusty old Apoc when I first started so boosting isn't a MUST have to do HS missions.

Figure out what you are doing now since you are not the entry in to big corps any more and just do what you enjoy to do in the game. Boost yourself on your 3 accounts and have fun.

*Guy coming back into the Game - complaining about something totally useless that is BETTER now after the Changes and everybody loves it but he still keeps on and wants CCP to rollback to the old system, because "it was better"...and last but not least - Highsec Missions*

- made my day, thank you. :D

No serious now,...

just deal with it...and next time, make some "research" about the new system, the new ships, and the new stats and then start your forum post please. I wasted so much time of my life to read everything and try to understand where your problem is...

...and do i cry now ? YES :)

Thank God he had no Carriers with TriageModule fitted lying around somewhere :D *imagine*

and not just any HS missions, specifically lvl 1 and 2 missions that "don't allow battlecruisers"