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Why CVA can be heretic, but others cant?
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Arrendis
TK Corp
#21 - 2017-05-14 00:35:42 UTC
Vaari wrote:

My tolerance to heathens is almost infinite. Not so much towards heretics.


Ah, but don't the Scriptures teach that once, all people lived in unity with God? I mean, that's the whole reason it's called the Reclaiming, not 'the Claiming'—because some rejected God to follow other beliefs. And so wouldn't that mean that all heathens are heretics?
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#22 - 2017-05-14 00:40:08 UTC
Well, old shinyhead here might as well get in on the ground floor. Provi's going to actually burn pretty hard soon enough anyway, as the big boys come for it. Provi's main saving grace all these years have been that the space isn't all that valuable compared to most alternatives, but given the rumors of the value bump the old stations are getting there'll be a lot of big boys with big toys and big numbers coming to carve out their slice of what is a relatively soft cake.

Providence has tenacity and grit in spades, I'll grant them that, but that region is going to be unrecognizable and it won't be all that long until that happens.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#23 - 2017-05-14 00:45:11 UTC
Eh, we all know what's coming. Well, those of us with an eye for it do. But I expect that Providence will remain more or less the same as it is now. Once the initial burn is concluded, no-one is going to care to stay.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#24 - 2017-05-14 12:15:50 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Vaari wrote:

My tolerance to heathens is almost infinite. Not so much towards heretics.


Ah, but don't the Scriptures teach that once, all people lived in unity with God? I mean, that's the whole reason it's called the Reclaiming, not 'the Claiming'—because some rejected God to follow other beliefs. And so wouldn't that mean that all heathens are heretics?


No. Heresies are twisted form on Imperial Faith, like sani sabik. There are also other religions who have no relation at all to the true faith. Heresies are much more dangerous.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#25 - 2017-05-14 13:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Vaari wrote:

No. Heresies are twisted form on Imperial Faith, like sani sabik. There are also other religions who have no relation at all to the true faith. Heresies are much more dangerous.


Oh, but come now, the Sani have only been at it a very short time, comparatively. Surely if all humanity was once in harmony with God, you can see how the Caldari Winds might be a perversion of God's voice, or how the Sebiestor concepts of Ohnesh and Andesh could easily reflect corruptions of the material world's fallen nature and the divine plan for humanity's eventual return to harmony with God.

And the Achurian 'Totality' that Aria and Morgana are in disagreement about, surely that in itself is a missaplication of universal unity with God for all creation, no?
Valkorsia
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2017-05-14 14:25:31 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Well, old shinyhead here might as well get in on the ground floor. Provi's going to actually burn pretty hard soon enough anyway, as the big boys come for it. Provi's main saving grace all these years have been that the space isn't all that valuable compared to most alternatives, but given the rumors of the value bump the old stations are getting there'll be a lot of big boys with big toys and big numbers coming to carve out their slice of what is a relatively soft cake.

Providence has tenacity and grit in spades, I'll grant them that, but that region is going to be unrecognizable and it won't be all that long until that happens.



Mercenary Coalition, recently deployed to Providence for almost three months, found out just how soft the cake was, eh? Your statistical summary just against Yulai Federation alone was embarrassing, to say the least.

March, 2017 - isk efficiency - 35.34%
February, 2017 - isk efficiency 22.82%
January, 2017 - isk efficiency 24.58%
--

MC lost almost 180 billion isk in ships and couldn't get better than 35% efficiency in three months of deployment.

Do stop by again.

--

As to the charges brought by Lord Vaari, his actions here should be reviewed by a senior holder.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2017-05-14 14:37:45 UTC
Vaari wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Lord Vaari,

It is possible to be faithful to God and not the Empire.




No. Her Imperial Majesty is God's direct link to the mortal world. Opposing God's permitted order of things is to oppose God.



But Khanid?

Also, I didn't see Providence empty in support of the Empire during the Sansha resurgence or even when the Drifters executed the previous Empress.

So to some, the Empress and Empire are a direct link to His Grace. History though, says otherwise.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Arrendis
TK Corp
#28 - 2017-05-14 16:14:35 UTC
Valkorsia wrote:

Mercenary Coalition, recently deployed to Providence for almost three months, found out just how soft the cake was, eh? Your statistical summary just against Yulai Federation alone was embarrassing, to say the least.

March, 2017 - isk efficiency - 35.34%
February, 2017 - isk efficiency 22.82%
January, 2017 - isk efficiency 24.58%
--

MC lost almost 180 billion isk in ships and couldn't get better than 35% efficiency in three months of deployment.

Do stop by again.


Are you really relying on killboard efficiency as a metric of success? What were MC's objectives? Did they achieve them?
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#29 - 2017-05-14 16:46:45 UTC
I dearly hope you don't think MC is anywhere near 'big boys' status, Valk. We stay reasonably small by design and are most certainly not numerous enough to go solo Providence. You're mistaking the hired precision tool with the steamrollers that are coming to take your stations, later.

No, we most certainly got the worst end of the efficiency ratings when we last visited Providence and bothered waiting around for the hostile formups. Usually took an hour or two, but our 60-120 man fleets could eventually get fights once Provi had enough time to form big, or we'd just have to bash and go home.

I would have thought getting visitors so willing to fight outnumbered would have been welcome, rather than something to get so huffy about?
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#30 - 2017-05-14 18:16:37 UTC
Oh you just wait for arti baddons.
Valkorsia
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2017-05-14 18:35:58 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I dearly hope you don't think MC is anywhere near 'big boys' status, Valk. We stay reasonably small by design and are most certainly not numerous enough to go solo Providence. You're mistaking the hired precision tool with the steamrollers that are coming to take your stations, later.

No, we most certainly got the worst end of the efficiency ratings when we last visited Providence and bothered waiting around for the hostile formups. Usually took an hour or two, but our 60-120 man fleets could eventually get fights once Provi had enough time to form big, or we'd just have to bash and go home.

I would have thought getting visitors so willing to fight outnumbered would have been welcome, rather than something to get so huffy about?


Actually, it was fun for everyone, including MC, I hope. There were a lot of good fights.

Providence has been around many years, and we do have grit. If they come, they come. We'll deal with it. Somehow, Providence has always adapted.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#32 - 2017-05-14 19:33:28 UTC
Valkorsia wrote:

Providence has been around many years, and we do have grit. If they come, they come.


Don't worry, they will. Possibly in greater numbers than what came for us in the north.
Punctator
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2017-05-15 23:42:06 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
You're mistaking the hired precision tool with the steamrollers that are coming to take your stations, later.


and how many hp unanhored fortizar has? Big smile
Arrendis
TK Corp
#34 - 2017-05-15 23:58:41 UTC
Punctator wrote:
and how many hp unanhored fortizar has? Big smile


Do you really think MC is what you have to worry about?
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#35 - 2017-05-18 05:13:47 UTC
How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is?

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#36 - 2017-05-18 05:31:40 UTC
Vaari wrote:
How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is?


It didn't. But since you bring it up (in your thread)...

... they're not. Thus the point about asking exactly what MC's goals were before evaluating their performance.

However! To skew this stuff back to where you want it:

Have you considered the possibility that CVA might be more open to your ideas if you were less of a douche about them?

Just, you know, a thought.
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#37 - 2017-05-18 05:35:21 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Vaari wrote:
How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is?


It didn't. But since you bring it up (in your thread)...

... they're not. Thus the point about asking exactly what MC's goals were before evaluating their performance.

However! To skew this stuff back to where you want it:

Have you considered the possibility that CVA might be more open to your ideas if you were less of a douche about them?

Just, you know, a thought.


Yes. However, history proofs they are not.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.
Erika Wallker
Titan Legion
Fraternity.
#38 - 2017-05-18 05:55:03 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Vaari wrote:
How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is?


It didn't. But since you bring it up (in your thread)...

... they're not. Thus the point about asking exactly what MC's goals were before evaluating their performance.

However! To skew this stuff back to where you want it:

Have you considered the possibility that CVA might be more open to your ideas if you were less of a douche about them?

Just, you know, a thought.


Sounds like a really good idea!

Pentag Blade!
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy
#39 - 2017-05-18 06:16:40 UTC
Erika Wallker wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Vaari wrote:
How did this go of discussing how incompetent mc is?


It didn't. But since you bring it up (in your thread)...

... they're not. Thus the point about asking exactly what MC's goals were before evaluating their performance.

However! To skew this stuff back to where you want it:

Have you considered the possibility that CVA might be more open to your ideas if you were less of a douche about them?

Just, you know, a thought.


Sounds like a really good idea!


You know very well yourself that they just ignore you to the end of times if nothing is forcing their hands to actually put attention of the matter.

Fear the God and honor the Empress!

-House Valius battle shout.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#40 - 2017-05-18 06:28:20 UTC
Vaari wrote:

You know very well yourself that they just ignore you to the end of times if nothing is forcing their hands to actually put attention of the matter.


Well, see, the key to getting your way in an organization where you hold no real power is to be someone the line guys like, and present your ideas in a way that gets people interested in your ideas. Then, once it's not you asking for something, but you and the thousand dudes who think it'd be cool... people tend to listen.

But, you know, I don't know anything about getting things done in groups of spergy morons who barely know how to work together or align. [/sarcasm]
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