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Padme Naberie
EAT ATTiC
#9641 - 2017-05-12 12:24:28 UTC
this seems like the perfect place for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svH6eftnyQ

you guys keep up the good work
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9642 - 2017-05-12 12:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Maria Dragoon
Linus Gorp wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
I think it rather amusing really, this post. "Oh, I'm just trolling, I don't give two *****. I got what I want, which is tears." But the thing is, I'm not even upset, I'm amused, that a highly renowned security researcher is so bored, that he needs to resort to "Trolling" for his kicks. It rather sad if you ask me.

In other words, you don't understand what kind of game EVE is.

Maria Dragoon wrote:

As for the JVM, it in fact is, in fact if you dump this fancy dancy code in your java program, the JVM will start to spit out diagnostic data in assembly.

-XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:+PrintAssembly

It rather interesting to see how JVM an Java's garbage collector works when it comes to the assembly side of things.

So you don't even understand the difference between 'code' and 'parameters'. Why am I not surprised?

Maria Dragoon wrote:
From the 'average' person's perspective, you are pretty much acting like a child, calling someone else names because they didn't agree with them.

I don't need you to agree with me. Read my posts again and this time think about what I wrote. All I did right from the start was make fun of you and your incompetence and utter lack of knowledge. All you wrote in response was proof of your incompetence coupled with whining because you can't stand being called out by someone that has factual knowledge about the things that you try to impress and tells you to shut up for your own good.

I don't give two fucks about what you believe or want to believe, but if you keep spreading your bullshit, other uninformed people will believe it, make decisions based on it and make it harder for people like me when we have to clean up that **** and educate them.
People like you are the reason behind massive security flaws that exist "by design", because you dumb ***** think you know how it works and think you can implement it when in fact you're nothing but idiots that can't count 1 and 1 together and shouldn't be anywhere near a remotely critical system.


*slowly blinks.* What? Parameters is code, are you sure you mean know the differences between arguments and parameters? Please, re-read your introduction to C++ for a refresher on what a parameter actually is. Parameter is code, this is you know, basic stuff here, try to keep up.

Now, where was I? Oh the name calling, see this is why you don't come off as a renown security research that daily works with CC, I mean, ITsec...Wait didn't like CC take over for most of what ITsec does? Huh. Anyways, Name calling, yes you are showing a clear demonstration of your vast wealth of knowledge by acting like a child and calling me all sorts of different names. If you think you are making me mad, then I will have to correct you on that assumption... You are providing me with endless amusement. I also have to inform you, that as someone that does actually work in Information Security (though not a renown security researcher, I just got my two year degree then passed mah A+ certification) I never actually met a security researcher that acted like....Well, like you. An I've worked with a few of them in my two or three years into my budding career.

However, if you wish to continue making a fool of yourself, feel free. I await with bated breath on what you will post next.

PS: Also we didn't call them Security researchers, we called them Software developers that just so happen to develop security software.

Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Confucius

"A man who talks to people who aren't real is crazy. A man who talks to people who aren't real and writes down what they say is an author."
Padme Naberie
EAT ATTiC
#9643 - 2017-05-12 12:37:25 UTC
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
I think it rather amusing really, this post. "Oh, I'm just trolling, I don't give two *****. I got what I want, which is tears." But the thing is, I'm not even upset, I'm amused, that a highly renowned security researcher is so bored, that he needs to resort to "Trolling" for his kicks. It rather sad if you ask me.

In other words, you don't understand what kind of game EVE is.

Maria Dragoon wrote:

As for the JVM, it in fact is, in fact if you dump this fancy dancy code in your java program, the JVM will start to spit out diagnostic data in assembly.

-XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:+PrintAssembly

It rather interesting to see how JVM an Java's garbage collector works when it comes to the assembly side of things.

So you don't even understand the difference between 'code' and 'parameters'. Why am I not surprised?

Maria Dragoon wrote:
From the 'average' person's perspective, you are pretty much acting like a child, calling someone else names because they didn't agree with them.

I don't need you to agree with me. Read my posts again and this time think about what I wrote. All I did right from the start was make fun of you and your incompetence and utter lack of knowledge. All you wrote in response was proof of your incompetence coupled with whining because you can't stand being called out by someone that has factual knowledge about the things that you try to impress and tells you to shut up for your own good.

I don't give two fucks about what you believe or want to believe, but if you keep spreading your bullshit, other uninformed people will believe it, make decisions based on it and make it harder for people like me when we have to clean up that **** and educate them.
People like you are the reason behind massive security flaws that exist "by design", because you dumb ***** think you know how it works and think you can implement it when in fact you're nothing but idiots that can't count 1 and 1 together and shouldn't be anywhere near a remotely critical system.


*slowly blinks.* What? Parameters is code, are you sure you mean know the differences between arguments and parameters? Please, re-read your introduction to C++ for a refresher on what a parameter actually is. Parameter is code, this is you know, basic stuff here, try to keep up.

Now, where was I? Oh the name calling, see this is why you don't come off as a renown security research that daily works with CC, I mean, ITsec...Wait didn't like CC take over for most of what ITsec does? Huh. Anyways, Name calling, yes you are showing a clear demonstration of your vast wealth of knowledge by acting like a child and calling me all sorts of different names. If you think you are making me mad, then I will have to correct you on that assumption... You are providing me with endless amusement. I also have to inform you, that as someone that does actually work in Information Security (though not a renown security researcher, I just got my two year degree then passed mah A+ certification) I never actually met a security researcher that acted like....Well, like you. An I've worked with a few of them in my two or three years into my budding career.

However, if you wish to continue making a fool of yourself, feel free. I await with bated breath on what you will post next.

PS: Also we didn't call them Security researchers, we called them Software developers that just so happen to develop security software.


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Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9644 - 2017-05-12 12:40:24 UTC
Padme Naberie wrote:
snip.

https://i.imgflip.com/tvssx.jpg


I like it!

Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Confucius

"A man who talks to people who aren't real is crazy. A man who talks to people who aren't real and writes down what they say is an author."
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9645 - 2017-05-12 12:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Huh. Anyways, Name calling, yes you are showing a clear demonstration of your vast wealth of knowledge by acting like a child and calling me all sorts of different names.

I even went so far to directly point out the why and you still don't get it...

Maria Dragoon wrote:
If you think you are making me mad, then I will have to correct you on that assumption...

Your posts are agreeing with me.

Maria Dragoon wrote:
You are providing me with endless amusement.

You're the laughing stock for a dozen guys deeply invested in ITsec. Padme is one of them.

Maria Dragoon wrote:
I just got my two year degree

Q.e.d.

Maria Dragoon wrote:
PS: Also we didn't call them Security researchers, we called them Software developers that just so happen to develop security software.

Those are two different jobs.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9646 - 2017-05-12 12:52:15 UTC
Maria Dragoon wrote:
What? Parameters is code, are you sure you mean know the differences between arguments and parameters? Please, re-read your introduction to C++ for a refresher on what a parameter actually is. Parameter is code, this is you know, basic stuff here, try to keep up.

And again, you're mixing up different things that have little correlation.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9647 - 2017-05-12 12:52:48 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
snip



Clearly, you know it all then. :)

Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Confucius

"A man who talks to people who aren't real is crazy. A man who talks to people who aren't real and writes down what they say is an author."
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9648 - 2017-05-12 12:55:00 UTC
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
snip



Clearly, you know it all then. :)

You know, this started as me trolling the **** out of you. But at this point I'm not so sure anymore if you're just a retardedly dumb person, or are actually mentally ill.

Do me a favor and seek professional help. You badly need it.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9649 - 2017-05-12 12:59:09 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
snip



Clearly, you know it all then. :)

You know, this started as me trolling the **** out of you. But at this point I'm not so sure anymore if you're just a retardedly dumb person, or are actually mentally ill.

Do me a favor and seek professional help. You badly need it.



Clearly, I need professional help. I find this amusing coming from someone with such grand.... Pretension.

Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Confucius

"A man who talks to people who aren't real is crazy. A man who talks to people who aren't real and writes down what they say is an author."
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9650 - 2017-05-12 13:07:11 UTC
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
snip



Clearly, you know it all then. :)

You know, this started as me trolling the **** out of you. But at this point I'm not so sure anymore if you're just a retardedly dumb person, or are actually mentally ill.

Do me a favor and seek professional help. You badly need it.



Clearly, I need professional help. I find this amusing coming from someone with such grand.... Pretension.

I'm not pretending anything.. It's you that non-stop kept throwing around words that make no sense in the context you used them in. I just made fun of you using said words in that context. I could have educated you, but you're so full of yourself that I won't waste my time doing that.
Like I wrote a few posts ago, you think you know it all and educating you is a waste of time and resources. I rather spend that time on more intelligent beings.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Padme Naberie
EAT ATTiC
#9651 - 2017-05-12 13:09:42 UTC
guys if you need someone to rewire your house, i charge $5/hr
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maniac69uk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9652 - 2017-05-12 13:42:56 UTC  |  Edited by: maniac69uk
I and a lot of people I know feel afk cloaky camping is counter productive to eve.

Yes camping is a legitmate activity, but make it ACTIVE.

Limit cloaks to a set cycle and stop them auto cycling.

I know of someone that runs around 20 accounts just camping sectors 23 hours a day. Yes it may be pocketing ccp a nice amount of money (paid for I suspect by one of the large alliances) but what good is that if people get fed up with afk cloakers and quit? I know of people that have quit over this issue, looking at all the forum threads that have been buried and locked certain people want the issue disappeared.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#9653 - 2017-05-12 16:44:05 UTC
maniac69uk wrote:
what good is that if people get fed up with afk cloakers and quit?


Nothing of value is lost in that case. If you're the kind of pathetic failure that can't deal with AFK cloaking then you don't belong in EVE. Goodbye.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9654 - 2017-05-12 16:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
snip



Clearly, you know it all then. :)

You know, this started as me trolling the **** out of you. But at this point I'm not so sure anymore if you're just a retardedly dumb person, or are actually mentally ill.

Do me a favor and seek professional help. You badly need it.

Clearly, I need professional help. I find this amusing coming from someone with such grand.... Pretension.

See, this is what happens when kids like you have anything to do with security.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/12/hospitals-across-england-hit-by-large-scale-cyber-attack

Telecommunication providers in Spain and Portugal also affected, among others.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/telefonica-succumbs-to-600000-bitcoin-ransomware-attack

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9655 - 2017-05-12 17:27:10 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
snip



Clearly, you know it all then. :)

You know, this started as me trolling the **** out of you. But at this point I'm not so sure anymore if you're just a retardedly dumb person, or are actually mentally ill.

Do me a favor and seek professional help. You badly need it.

Clearly, I need professional help. I find this amusing coming from someone with such grand.... Pretension.

See, this is what happens when kids like you have anything to do with security.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/12/hospitals-across-england-hit-by-large-scale-cyber-attack

Telecommunication providers in Spain and Portugal also affected, among others.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/telefonica-succumbs-to-600000-bitcoin-ransomware-attack



Tells me that those companies didn't actually hire any computer security personal at all, an in turn trusted that their standard IT staff could handle any security breach that hit them.

It also means that they didn't have anyone doing weekly PMs on their network to check for vulnerabilities.


Of course, sure, you can try to blame it on "Kids like me." But that just says that you never worked in a professional environment where you see these "money" saving tactics all the time.

Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Confucius

"A man who talks to people who aren't real is crazy. A man who talks to people who aren't real and writes down what they say is an author."
Xcom
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9656 - 2017-05-12 18:17:53 UTC
Linus Gorp take your medicine. We don't want to put you back in the cage, do we?
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9657 - 2017-05-12 18:19:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Maria Dragoon wrote:
Tells me that those companies didn't actually hire any computer security personal at all, an in turn trusted that their standard IT staff could handle any security breach that hit them.

It also means that they didn't have anyone doing weekly PMs on their network to check for vulnerabilities.

Of course, sure, you can try to blame it on "Kids like me." But that just says that you never worked in a professional environment where you see these "money" saving tactics all the time.

The NHS isn't a company. Hundreds of hospitals aren't companies.
The "management" thinks they don't need IT security because of people like you. Big talkers when everything's fine, zero clue when **** hits the fan.

While I agree that this is more often than not a management problem (most business administration guys are clueless idiots), I doubt it would be as bad as it is without people like you, that severely overestimate their knowledge and try to impress with it.

Xcom wrote:
Linus Gorp take your medicine. We don't want to put you back in the cage, do we?

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/12215635.jpg

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Xcom
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9658 - 2017-05-12 18:20:24 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
maniac69uk wrote:
what good is that if people get fed up with afk cloakers and quit?


Nothing of value is lost in that case. If you're the kind of pathetic failure that can't deal with AFK cloaking then you don't belong in EVE. Goodbye.

I hope you quit when they fix AFK cloaking.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#9659 - 2017-05-12 18:29:50 UTC
Xcom wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
maniac69uk wrote:
what good is that if people get fed up with afk cloakers and quit?


Nothing of value is lost in that case. If you're the kind of pathetic failure that can't deal with AFK cloaking then you don't belong in EVE. Goodbye.

I hope you quit when they fix AFK cloaking.

If you truly think CCP is ******** enough to buff the status quo, you're sadly mistaken.

I look forward to see you quitting EVE after CCP removes your perfect intel tool.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#9660 - 2017-05-12 18:45:13 UTC
maniac69uk wrote:
I and a lot of people I know feel afk cloaky camping is counter productive to eve.

Yes camping is a legitmate activity, but make it ACTIVE.

Limit cloaks to a set cycle and stop them auto cycling.

I know of someone that runs around 20 accounts just camping sectors 23 hours a day. Yes it may be pocketing ccp a nice amount of money (paid for I suspect by one of the large alliances) but what good is that if people get fed up with afk cloakers and quit? I know of people that have quit over this issue, looking at all the forum threads that have been buried and locked certain people want the issue disappeared.


First off how many people quit? People say this all the time, but it is completely devoid of any factual basis at all. Further, the same thing goes with the “I know somebody who….” That is old school internet bullshit when you get right down to it. Right up there with “My friend’s aunt who works at….” Everyone who wants cloaks to be nerfed “knows somebody who runs 20 accounts and camps multiple constellations”. Yet character names are never reported. The area being camped is never given. It is the EVE version of the urban legend about poisoned Halloween candy. So I am calling bullshit on all of these stories until specifics are given. Yes, I’m calling you a liar.

Moreover, why should local get a buff? Why should you get a benefit without giving up anything in return? Further, you are nerfing active cloakers, people who are ATK. These people are NOT the problem so why are you justified in nerfing them? Sorry, but like every other suggestion along these lines, no.

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