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make high sec incursion sites pvp zones
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2012-01-21 20:48:16 UTC
Let me point you in the direction of the suggestion features and ideas

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Oh, and here is an amazing fact.

EVE isn't a FPS. You don't have to shoot everyone to

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PLAYER vs PLAYER, Start!!!!

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You can....compete?!?!? for the incursion sites by running them faster??!?! *GASP!* OMFG What the hell? Who f*cking said that? *squints eyes* I see what you made me say there. You just might have to suck it up/off like you expect carebears to suck it up/off when they undock that they are fair game and shoot red crossess. You don't need to shoot every ******* thing on site to interact with people (cause next thing you know, we should have stabby animations and cartoon explosions when marketing or talking in local!!!), Medal of Duty: HaloStrike514 is comming soon and its nothing like EVE the MMO (514 is a shooter like 007 for the Super NES/CoD/MoH/you name it, think CCP is a bit late to the party Straight )

FFS, think you can PVE while PVP for ship combat? Doesn't work, why do you think everyone stays in highsec for level 4...cause its to much of a hassle maybe?

And going to throw in....buff vanguard sites to be 1 billion per hour. I like your whine with my cheddar, it tastes more salty + bitter the more you complain Shocked.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2012-01-22 04:24:33 UTC
[quote=Lady Spank]...if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec.../quote]

Except the people who run losec incursions aren't the people who run hisec incursion. Look, if you want to club baby seals just say it already and stop trying to present this idea as anything but.

Don't ban me, bro!
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#143 - 2012-01-22 04:33:53 UTC
+1

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-01-22 05:32:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
-1 for the idea

+1 for implementing WH style bonuses and penalties, at random, in each site.

Each site provides a different challenge such as tracking penalties, shield penalties, armour penalties, logistics penalties.

Make it so that fleets have to be more balanced - you might be getting close to something.

Instanced PvP in incursions? No thanks. More complicated and player led solutions yes.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#145 - 2012-01-22 05:39:39 UTC
Interesting ideas, thank you for your contribution. Randomised effects could go some way to combating cookie cutter fleets and reward the organised.

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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#146 - 2012-01-22 05:48:03 UTC
It would seem a logical progression to me. The coding is in place already - it functions in WH.

Also - by forcing a more varied fleet we may get away from the awful "11" player per site limit.

11 players may not be enough - that way fleets will have to be larger and although the isk introduced may be the same, it is spread across more players. The overall influx of cash would be reduced - hopefully getting rid of some of the (possibly/probably justified) whining threads that keep popping up.

I am also for the ratio of "effects" being made more in favour of the Sansha. They drop too fast atm.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
#147 - 2012-01-22 05:50:55 UTC
Look some players want a Raid like PVE experience in eve that doesn't require some sort of high risk pvp possibilities (there are some risks of ganking every time you undock i know, but that aside). If that means CCP has to nerf the income from them, so be it, make them more on par with lvl4s, idc... i just want something to do in a group setting where I dont have to deal with cry babies and sociopaths on an hourly basis.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-01-22 05:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
Uh - I didn't suggest anything to deny you that.

I like incursions. I just want them to be more challenging in order to balance them slightly.

Nothing I suggested involved PvP.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Selinate
#149 - 2012-01-22 06:45:54 UTC
I wouldn't mind it.

I'm sure the masses of people unsubbing over the fact that major highsec "shipping lanes" or "pipes" or whatever you want to call them, between the hubs and other areas would rage, as this could potentially have the effect of locking those who hate going into low/nullsec into an area and keeping them out of the area they want to go to.
Razor Blue
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2012-01-22 06:56:58 UTC
Why dont you do it yourself?

You dont need ask CCP to do it for you. Just gather up your friends and shoot the highsec Kundalini. This will result the only available Incursions to be pvp-zones.

Btw, despite their buffer omnitanks, its pretty standard for VG bs have around 80-120k ehp, which is less than normal freighter
Milla Lekarariba
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#151 - 2012-01-23 13:22:54 UTC
Good idea however I would like to add something...

You have to pick the side you want to fight on, and there be actual consequences for doing so, I would go in to more details but not long been back from hospital after an operation
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-01-23 14:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
Lady Spank wrote:
Again, if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec. No one is suggesting fish in a barrel, that would be ridiculous. Please try and remain at least partially subjective in your counter arguments. Not posting on troll alts might also help your stance hold merit.



Ok, I've slogged through most of this.

As I understand it:

PvP-fit ships are typically crap in PvE with incoming DPS of any signifcance...built for short duration DPS soaks and not continuous DPS over a long period of time. Often low-duration caps. Meant typically for bursts.

PvE-fit ships are typically the reverse in almost every instance.

PvP-fit ships typically shred PvE-fit ships.

Fitting a PvE ship to deal with PvP makes it at best a hybrid which is far less than optimal at either, and more likely just makes it suck at both.

So, wanting to bring PvP fleets into an environment that requires PvE-fitted fleets is not shooting fish in a barrel?

Sorry, I need some clarification on that one.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#153 - 2012-01-23 14:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Xpaulusx
Mr Kidd wrote:
[quote=Lady Spank]...if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec.../quote]

Except the people who run losec incursions aren't the people who run hisec incursion. Look, if you want to club baby seals just say it already and stop trying to present this idea as anything but.

+1 risk free PvP how Leet. lol On a more serious note i like jayems idea/ solution.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#154 - 2012-01-23 15:06:45 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
[quote=Lady Spank]...if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec.../quote]

Except the people who run losec incursions aren't the people who run hisec incursion. Look, if you want to club baby seals just say it already and stop trying to present this idea as anything but.

+1 risk free PvP how Leet. lol On a more serious note i like jayems idea/ solution.

Explain how it is risk free considering the same conditions apply for both sides.

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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#155 - 2012-01-23 15:21:16 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
[quote=Lady Spank]...if people can run incursions in low sec, there's nothing stopping people doing the same in high-sec.../quote]

Except the people who run losec incursions aren't the people who run hisec incursion. Look, if you want to club baby seals just say it already and stop trying to present this idea as anything but.

+1 risk free PvP how Leet. lol On a more serious note i like jayems idea/ solution.

Explain how it is risk free considering the same conditions apply for both sides.



I'll step in and explain, if you don't mind Big smile

It is risk free because they (the isk grinding maggots) are very aware of their lack of spine.
Violet Vayu
Rapid Development
#156 - 2012-01-23 15:28:29 UTC
Op has a really good idea here Ccp!

This would stop all the whining, and let people settle this in proper eve fashion by blowing each other upBig smile
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
#157 - 2012-01-23 15:30:12 UTC
Hats off to this thread.

Would definatly shake things up nicely. Would be interesting to see the new status quop with such an idea.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-01-23 15:32:43 UTC
Juliana Stinger wrote:
do you really believe pve pilots will risk flying there with ships worth billions? What will be a risk for pvp pilots? loosing a 50mil ship?

no one said you HAVE TO bring shiny ship to run incursion. You do it for increased profit. You will not use shiny ships. You will use stupid T2 fits and T1/T2 ships and have a little lower income.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#159 - 2012-01-23 15:45:29 UTC
Violet Vayu wrote:
Op has a really good idea here Ccp!

This would stop all the whining, and let people settle this in proper eve fashion by blowing each other upBig smile


Finally, someone that GETS Eve in this thread Cool

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Carton Mantory
Vindicate and Deliverance
#160 - 2012-01-23 15:59:32 UTC
War dec carebears. Seriously if they do incursions war dec them.

If you kill the mom yourself you make isk.

The incursions is not for milling isk unless you let them.


This feature is going exactly as planned.

CCP is doing exactly what they needed to to get players involved in NPC isk generation. If you dont want them to do incursions stop em.