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"PLEX can no longer be used for Character transfer fee payments"

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Matsu Fumiko
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-05-11 07:09:16 UTC
I opened this Topic since the old one was closed.

This problem concerns many Players so it should not be locked and removed from our agenda.

So I would like to ask all players who want to talk about this issue to NOT bump this thread.

I think we have better ways to show CCP that we are not pleased about the current Situation.


My question to CCP: is it intended to make PayPal available as a payment option for character Transfers?

According to the removed PLEX Option this option should be taken into account.

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Tetsuya Wang
Fuxk You Konami
#2 - 2017-05-11 07:50:20 UTC
If it is a technical issue CCP should build up people's confidence.
If it is actually not a technical issue then we should carefully check the current and next financial statements since it weird to do this for cash and SOMEONE put a lot of money into a high risky VR program.
If anyone show interest I would like to continue discussions.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2017-05-11 08:07:43 UTC
Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.

The PLEX conversion is a pretty big change from a development perspective with the potential to break a lot of things. This is likely not a high priority fix since it really only inconveniences skillpoint farmers but I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed since CCP is leaving revenue on the table.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#4 - 2017-05-11 08:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Do Little wrote:
Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.

The PLEX conversion is a pretty big change from a development perspective with the potential to break a lot of things. This is likely not a high priority fix since it really only inconveniences skillpoint farmers but I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed since CCP is leaving revenue on the table.
I have the opposite opinion. CCP makes even more money if players have to use skill extractors and injectors to move SP around rather than the character bazaar with either cash or PLEX. Further, the character bazaar is due for some major changes with the upcoming forum revamp, as you will no longer be able to post from a specific character on the forums. The simplest thing it seems to me is for the character bazaar to be deprecated and not support exchanging ISK for characters anymore, and just leave character transfers for cash between your accounts or perhaps also between friends.

It would have been nice though for some warning and some clarity from CCP on what their real intentions are. I imagine a small number of people were caught out by such a change with so short notice and had their game activities significantly screwed up by this.

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Tetsuya Wang
Fuxk You Konami
#5 - 2017-05-11 08:20:42 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.



Yap and that's why I'm so worried. A company gives up higher profits for immediate cash flow is surely a very very bad sign.
I personally wouldn't worry so much if it is because of stupid reasons. But for now what I received is that CCP need cash and willing to give up "profits"
Hope someone can rebuild our trust, really.
voetius
Grundrisse
#6 - 2017-05-11 08:54:17 UTC

@Pedro, a forum change where we don't post from a specific character? I seem to have missed that one. Is there an official announcement about this or more information about the forum changes? TIA
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#7 - 2017-05-11 09:37:06 UTC
voetius wrote:

@Pedro, a forum change where we don't post from a specific character? I seem to have missed that one. Is there an official announcement about this or more information about the forum changes? TIA

Falcon said it will be similar to Valkyrie forum. Discourse also.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#8 - 2017-05-11 10:11:39 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
voetius wrote:

@Pedro, a forum change where we don't post from a specific character? I seem to have missed that one. Is there an official announcement about this or more information about the forum changes? TIA

Falcon said it will be similar to Valkyrie forum. Discourse also.

The details are in the last CSM minutes: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM11-S2.pdf

starting on page 7.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#9 - 2017-05-11 11:07:14 UTC
Christina Carter
Moonfire Industries
#10 - 2017-05-11 11:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Carter
I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.

It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.

I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principle. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.

I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or not treating us with the respect that we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.

I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principle0s and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2017-05-11 12:35:24 UTC
Christina Carter wrote:
I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.

It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.

I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principal. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.

I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.

I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principals and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP.


the plex changes where announced well in advance, as was the plex vault.
Removing plex for character transfers was really short notice, but that actually tracks with it being an unintended and unexpected side effect of the change that they didn't manage to get fixed on time... ccp aint perfect, this should be a shock to no one.
and the price change works out to be in the order of pennies difference. if you cannot afford a few extra pennies for your luxury item purchases, then you probably shouldn't be paying for 6 accounts to begin with.

This is different from the summer of rage, (I was around for that one as well) because that was a case of them damn near abandoning eve for over a year. we have had quite a lot of development and improvements recently, this patch might have been a little bit on the lighter side but thats not the end of the world. and it was coupled with the leaking of the "greed is good" memo that hinted at ACTUAL pay to win features. none of which we have ever seen actually become implemented yet. this is all just a bunch of fear mongering and knee jerk reactions.

but hey, if you wanna quit the game over a couple pennies worth... can I haz your stuff? (and SP too please, those are actually more valuable to me.)
Sucky
Doomheim
#12 - 2017-05-11 12:43:26 UTC
I like the change. I don't trade characters and I'm minted in and out of game.

Poors, know your place please and calm down.
Christina Carter
Moonfire Industries
#13 - 2017-05-11 13:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Carter
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Christina Carter wrote:
I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.

It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.

I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principle. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.

I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.

I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principles and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP.


the plex changes where announced well in advance, as was the plex vault.
Removing plex for character transfers was really short notice, but that actually tracks with it being an unintended and unexpected side effect of the change that they didn't manage to get fixed on time... ccp aint perfect, this should be a shock to no one.
and the price change works out to be in the order of pennies difference. if you cannot afford a few extra pennies for your luxury item purchases, then you probably shouldn't be paying for 6 accounts to begin with.

This is different from the summer of rage, (I was around for that one as well) because that was a case of them damn near abandoning eve for over a year. we have had quite a lot of development and improvements recently, this patch might have been a little bit on the lighter side but thats not the end of the world. and it was coupled with the leaking of the "greed is good" memo that hinted at ACTUAL pay to win features. none of which we have ever seen actually become implemented yet. this is all just a bunch of fear mongering and knee jerk reactions.

but hey, if you wanna quit the game over a couple pennies worth... can I haz your stuff? (and SP too please, those are actually more valuable to me.)


TY for that lovely typical troll statement about my stuff. It is completely unproductive and pointless.

I can appreciate your point of view but I'm not discussing the actual changes but more about the way CCP went about said changes. And the pricing to PLEX was not known until the actual patch hit. For me it is about principle and not the changes themselves. It's about the way that CCP treated the player base.

CCP slipped into the patch notes, 4 days prior to patch implementation, that PLEX can no longer be applied as payment for character transfers and made no announcement about it until someone called CCP out on this matter. The excuse that CCP gave was pathetic at best.

I personally feel that CCP has broken their word and I no longer trust them. I have principles and I'm not the kind of person that says, "thank you sir may I please have another." Maybe you are, but I am not!
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#14 - 2017-05-11 13:14:36 UTC
Do Little wrote:
Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.

The PLEX conversion is a pretty big change from a development perspective with the potential to break a lot of things. This is likely not a high priority fix since it really only inconveniences skillpoint farmers but I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed since CCP is leaving revenue on the table.

Do you know what the character bazaar is?
I think not by your nonsense response - Skill point farmers don't use the bazaar, players trading characters should not be forced to pay real world money to make an isk transaction - you bazaar fool.

Trading Real money for isk is against the EULA yet that is EXACTLY what CCP is now expecting players to do via the character bazaar - CCP is 3rd partying cash for isk transactions.

You directly pay CCP money and you receive isk = Breach of the EULA

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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2017-05-11 13:31:53 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
You directly pay CCP money and you receive isk = Breach of the EULA


I know the mental effort required to reach this conclusion was staggering, but, here's a thought.

It's CCPs game, they can sell you whatever they like.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2017-05-11 13:34:55 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Do Little wrote:
Using PLEX for character transfers is good for CCP. Each PLEX is originally purchased for real world money and they book the income when it is redeemed so they earn a lot more when you use PLEX to transfer a character.

The PLEX conversion is a pretty big change from a development perspective with the potential to break a lot of things. This is likely not a high priority fix since it really only inconveniences skillpoint farmers but I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed since CCP is leaving revenue on the table.

Do you know what the character bazaar is?
I think not by your nonsense response - Skill point farmers don't use the bazaar, players trading characters should not be forced to pay real world money to make an isk transaction - you bazaar fool.

Trading Real money for isk is against the EULA yet that is EXACTLY what CCP is now expecting players to do via the character bazaar - CCP is 3rd partying cash for isk transactions.

You directly pay CCP money and you receive isk = Breach of the EULA

You're dumb as dogs balls.

You've always been able to pay $20 to transfer a character, instead of 2 PLEX.

However, your stupidity about the EULA only shows that you haven't read it, not that someone else hasn't.

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Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2017-05-11 13:40:39 UTC
Christina Carter wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Christina Carter wrote:
I posted this in another thread but is relevant here.

It's not about the price going up on plex or the fact that plex can no longer be used to do character transfers. For me it is simply that CCP implemented these changes without notifying the Eve community. It was done in a disgustingly sneaky way which has broken the trust I had in CCP.

I'm a person that believes in being forthcoming and letting the chips fall where they may. Had CCP been as forthcoming and just gave us notice that these are the new changes to pricing and use of PLEX, I would be ok with it but now I have to act on principle. I have already unsubbed all 6 of my accts and I feel that our relationship has come to an end.

I remember that summer of rage. I was part of the protest. I remember how CCP admitted to making mistakes and going forward CCP was going to have more open communication with the player base. However, it seems that CCP has fallen back into it's old ways of not caring about how we are affected or treating us with the respect the we, the players, deserve. Simply put, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I have seen the changes that have been implemented over the years concerning CCP's business model for Eve and I can no longer support the actions of CCP. When a company takes actions that even look sneaky or dishonest towards it's player base, then I have reevaluate my continued participation in that business as a customer.

I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principles and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP.


the plex changes where announced well in advance, as was the plex vault.
Removing plex for character transfers was really short notice, but that actually tracks with it being an unintended and unexpected side effect of the change that they didn't manage to get fixed on time... ccp aint perfect, this should be a shock to no one.
and the price change works out to be in the order of pennies difference. if you cannot afford a few extra pennies for your luxury item purchases, then you probably shouldn't be paying for 6 accounts to begin with.

This is different from the summer of rage, (I was around for that one as well) because that was a case of them damn near abandoning eve for over a year. we have had quite a lot of development and improvements recently, this patch might have been a little bit on the lighter side but thats not the end of the world. and it was coupled with the leaking of the "greed is good" memo that hinted at ACTUAL pay to win features. none of which we have ever seen actually become implemented yet. this is all just a bunch of fear mongering and knee jerk reactions.

but hey, if you wanna quit the game over a couple pennies worth... can I haz your stuff? (and SP too please, those are actually more valuable to me.)


TY for that lovely typical troll statement about my stuff. It is completely unproductive and pointless.

I can appreciate your point of view but I'm not discussing the actual changes but more about the way CCP went about said changes. And the pricing to PLEX was not known until the actual patch hit. For me it is about principal and not the changes themselves. It's about the way that CCP treated the player base.

CCP slipped into the patch notes, 4 days prior to patch implementation, that PLEX can no longer be applied as payment for character transfers and made no announcement about it until someone called CCP out on this matter. The excuse that CCP gave was pathetic at best.

I personally feel that CCP has broken their word and I no longer trust them. I have principles and I'm not the kind of person that says, "thank you sir may I please have another." Maybe you are, but I am not!


No it wasn't handled properly, but if it was something that only came up at the last minute, the lack of warning makes sense.

as for the troll comment, yeah it was a bit cheeky.... but seriously if you are planning on leaving the game I would really appreciate your stuff, I am seriously space poor and have a crippling injector addiction.
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#18 - 2017-05-11 13:50:52 UTC
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Alexis Red
Doomheim
#19 - 2017-05-11 13:51:18 UTC
Christina Carter wrote:
I have chosen to vote with my wallet and place my support elsewhere. I have to follow my principle0s and quite frankly, I no longer trust CCP.


I am by no means a huge fan of CCP due to game play issues, but it would seem making a profit is a high priority for any company and it's likely a necessary move to stay afloat in a very competitive gaming environment. Trust is hardly at play here, more survival and frankly cowing to a fickle player base is not good business.

It's fairly easy to play this game casually with full omega access and not pay a dime of real money, after a small initial investment in either time or money in the beginning. Simply create a few skill farming characters to extract and plex your main. for me it's 3 omega farmed toons can support my main skilling without any costs or grinding.
Benje en Divalone
#20 - 2017-05-11 14:23:54 UTC
Alexis Red wrote:
I am by no means a huge fan of CCP due to game play issues, but it would seem making a profit is a high priority for any company and it's likely a necessary move to stay afloat in a very competitive gaming environment. Trust is hardly at play here, more survival and frankly cowing to a fickle player base is not good business.

Trust and reputation are Business 101 fundamentals. Any company is free to make changes to their service offerings. It's good business sense to provide at least adequate notice when those changes will significantly affect their customers. There's a direct correlation between loss of trust and loss of customers.
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