EVE General Discussion

Reading these topics, I find myself in deep thought about the current state of Incursions and the null sec players moaning about said incursions.

The main school of thought here is Risk Vs Reward. I ask you, what risk is there in 0.0 when surrounded by a large alliance quite willing to hot drop a Tengu with supers?

In actual truth Incursions are mostly run by 0.0 alts earning money to buy supers and titans etc.

I believe that high sec people who enjoy that section of the game should have access to incursions and the money they bring in. Mostly because high sec is for the most part, solo work.

0.0 is hardly ever solo, especially when in a large alliance.

How risky can 0.0 be when you have Intel channels? you know what's coming system before they reach you. Therefore I ask again where is this so called uber risk that demands 0.0 to have all of eve goodies?

With all this said I am of course an alt of a 0.0 patron but feel the entire argument is out of hand by people with no job and no life and do nothing more than sit at the computer looking at pretty pixels all day and night fighting for there alliance.

High sec deserves some love, plain and simple!

The higher population of this game lives in Empire, 0.0 is the minority that is absolute pure fact. You'd think the bigger player base would get some love from CCP for this very reason.

Ohhhhhh!!

Came in expecting a flame against the high sec incursion whiners and found another one. Here we go again.

Shamelessly quoting self...

Where is the risk ?

Well, let's say you own Branch. Your alliance go through diplomatic and internal issues. Another alliance wants your space because "Fsck you, that's why". That alliance steamroll through Branch, destroying CSAAs (You were building your Ragnarok in it ? Too bad, you just lost 55B), destroying Techmoon POSes (There goes the passive 7B/month revenue), taking your stations (Owait, you had 3 Machariels stuck in there ? Guess what, they'll be stuck until you firesale at half the cost).

Absolutely no risks indeed.

You can also get hotdropped in your own space by specialized teams of blackops, bombers, supers or whatever you want.

You can also get awoxed.

You can also get kicked by your alliance for being a ******, and there goes all your trapped assets.

No, risks.

Right.

ITT : OP is butthurt about incursions being nerfed.

That's a very different scenario to the one I pointed out. 0.0 in my eyes is easy to live in and hardly any risk. Unless someone wants your space then as you state things get nasty very quickly.

Your post is also all assumption, not fact.

The facts are :

0.0 is pi$$ easy to live in, just like empire.

I still don't see this risk you speak of? Unless your fighting another alliance there is NO risk at all.

You know it and I know it.

I'm not butt hurt about a Incursion nerf because the nerf if it happens, will be tiny.

Its YOU that is butt hurt that you can earn good isk in Empire.

Assumption not fact? What are you, stupid?

The man lived in nullsec probably longer than you play the game (that is a assumption). I have lived in nullsec for quite a while now and YES it can be safe but wait there is a 2 man Bomber gang in your system? too bad no ratting for you because they could killy our ratting ship.

Yes ratting can be profitable (MAXIMUM 60m/h in a pimped up Tengu mind you....100m/hour in a T2 fit basilisk it is for incursions I heard) but wait, youa re stuck in Cloud ring and you are stuck with mediocre rats and anomalies.

Yes you can try to get better space but wait....there are ENEMIES that need to be fought hich costs money and is not really safe is it?

Yes you might have good space but wait everybody else wants it too....damn more enemies coming to you hu?

Yes ofc we have Intel and a large alliance surrounding us but wait....our enemies are big alliances too. You need to make some money? Too bad an enemy fleet is attacking your alliance and you need to defend it instead of ratting

Well you have 10 tech mons for you alliance so you must be rich....Well too bad you got sov dues to pay and all the ships lost in Defense have to be paif for as well and fuel for Logistics and so on...

The only Safety we have in Nullsec is the safety we make and provide ourselves! Highsec does not need that because your safety comes from NPCs and the only danger is stupidity.


Highsec instead: You had Missions making far more money than any ratter could make (w/o an officer spawn at least) and now Incursions as well. The Problem is NOT that you can make money in Highsec.

The problem is
1. Your ignorance about nullsec being the safest place on earth (which it isn't frankly) and your failure to admit you might be wrong
2. That Incursion ISK are created out of THIN AIR that there are nearly 700 Billion ISK created each week (assumption) from nothing without any risk. (inflation anyone? 500m PLEX anyone?)
3. That making more money in an NSC-safe-made environment than in a Player-safe-made environment where oyu have to do something to be safe
4. That people do confuse Moon.Goo money (which does NOT create ISK btw because it comes from bringing the stuff to Highsec and selling it there and not collecting bounties) with ISK faucets
5. That people with no ******* clue about how things work in Nullsec (even here in the fruitfull welcoming warzone Branch) seem to think they do and so on and so on....

If they 'd radically change low/nulsec mechanics it wouldn't be such a bad idea.
As it is now, the game mechanics are far too restrictive. People will quit EVE without highsec.

And for your hard work you get:-

30/40% better payouts on incursions.
True sec systems with officer spawns.
Passive moon goo income of anywhere from 7-70b per month.
High quality plex's

ect ect..


Thats what you guys get that us in high sec dont.

It's like your complaining that your neighbor just bought a Ferrari with his life saving, the same car you bought out of your pocket change just because you could.

Really, you need to STFU trying to convince people Null is hard work and you guys deserve everything and everybody else deserves nothing.
You dont like the way i choose to play MY game? Deal with it or go biomass.

incursions need a change alright, but its not about the isk. its the horrible yellow hue that gives me headaches...